Paladin Ret on the Raiding Life

[kegboy123]

ok dude you say sp scales with command more and im telling you strength is better for command itself. no need for this paragraph of crap. honestly a lot of things you say are just straight up false. your bug reports with wrong coefficients and trying to say cons scales with attack power. nothing you say can be true

if you want to say hand of rag and dark moon trinket scales with sp i want to see proof because you have bad history of lying or being misinformed. im pretty sure your the same guy who thought RIGHTEOUSNESS scales with strength and linked an article from woltk. if you want to be taken seriously you should try to be a bit more unbiased

[smilkovpetko]

ok dude you say sp scales with command more and im telling you strength is better for command itself. no need for this paragraph of crap. honestly a lot of things you say are just straight up false. your bug reports with wrong coefficients and trying to say cons scales with attack power. nothing you say can be true

if you want to say hand of rag and dark moon trinket scales with sp i want to see proof because you have bad history of lying or being misinformed. im pretty sure your the same guy who thought RIGHTEOUSNESS scales with strength and linked an article from woltk. if you want to be taken seriously you should try to be a bit more unbiased

Yes all those 3 Items i mention Scale with Spell Damage and should Scale. I will welcome Theoloras to give you shot about that since he know all the sources about such items.

Taken more serious ? What about ? The gearwise and DPS ? ...

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Yes we are 100% Bugged. Nerfed , Destroyed . The fact that our Gear doesn't Match with Abilities/Talents currently is Real.
The fact that our DPS would be much Higher if Command, Judgement of Commmand was working with Spell Damage is Real.
The fact that our DPS would be much Higher if Consecration didn't get wiped by another Consecration or Maximum Debuff slots is Real.
The fact that our DPS would be much Higher if Sanctity Aura didn't get wiped out on SoC , JoC is Real.
The fact that we would been lesser "OOM" and spam more Max Rank JoC if Benediction was working is Real.

Nich working . You could argue with me for this until tomorrow.

All the things you try to defocus everyone is just pointless .

You also telling me that i lie about Seal of Righteousness ?

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There is topic with perfect explanation at 2nd Reply by Wikipedia .

Regarding Command :

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Seal_of_C ... did=249861

7 Str or 14 AP = 1 Damage Per Hit
14 SP = 2.8 Damage per hit
7 SP = 1.8 Damage per hit

Now see what scale more?! AP or SP ...

[kegboy123]

ok im wrong then i didnt know u only get 1 dmg per 7 str for seal of command

and for the sor thing im still right thats not real scaling. 1-2dmg for max rank bom and that was tbc so bom was even better.

[smilkovpetko]

ok im wrong then i didnt know u only get 1 dmg per 7 str for seal of command

and for the sor thing im still right thats not real scaling. 1-2dmg for max rank bom and that was tbc so bom was even better.

And what was the difference between SoR Vanilla and SoR TBC ?! Except the extra Level and extra Damage?.

[kegboy123]

ok im wrong then i didnt know u only get 1 dmg per 7 str for seal of command

and for the sor thing im still right thats not real scaling. 1-2dmg for max rank bom and that was tbc so bom was even better.

And what was the difference between SoR Vanilla and SoR TBC ?! Except the extra Level and extra Damage?.

nothing. im saying in tbc your bom did much more and that article is TBC saying you only gain 1-2 dmg from a full bom in tbc

[smilkovpetko]

ok im wrong then i didnt know u only get 1 dmg per 7 str for seal of command

and for the sor thing im still right thats not real scaling. 1-2dmg for max rank bom and that was tbc so bom was even better.

And what was the difference between SoR Vanilla and SoR TBC ?! Except the extra Level and extra Damage?.

nothing. im saying in tbc your bom did much more and that article is TBC saying you only gain 1-2 dmg from a full bom in tbc

which mean 220 attack power = 1-2 more dmg to sor.

[kegboy123]

yes 220 ap giving u 1-2 damage is not real scaling. even the same article you linked me it says command was the only spell that scaled with attack power

but what i really want to know is proof of DMF and lbrs trinket scaling with spell power. im not talking about feenix but if it really did or not. i dont think it did, at least DMF and hand of rag, but i would like to be proven wrong as i like to pvp ret

[justclassic]

command scales way better with ap then sp. 20% coefficient is nothing mean while you have a ton of ap which will increase command damage. if you have 160 spell power which is pretty nice for ret thats only 32 damage on command

Meanwhile if you go full Attack Power Gear then your Mana will be "OOM" . This mean your DPS go down to Swings only instead Judges,Consecrations which are part of the DPS.

Paladin Set = Int + Str (ap) + SP + . = SP + AP .

Nothing will replace that . You can argue this until tomorrow but if your gear have 2 Str , 1 Int will boost that 2 Str to even higher Value. Crit/Agility is far more important than Str due to Procs and Flat extra 15% Dmg on Everything.

other than that - Command is not only DPS , neither Melee Swings. We have rotation which is called :

JotC-SoC - JoC - Consecration . Hammer for Execution . Exorcism for Undeads.

Hammer and Exorcism scale with Spell Damage.

JoC + Consecration + SoC = 70% of our DPS . All 3 work with Spell Damage.
SoC+White Swings = 50% of our DPS . 2 work with AP.
White Swings = 30% of our DPS. work with AP.

Consecration + JoC = SP. 50% of our DPS.

JoC + SoC + White Swings = procs on Eye of Sulfuras + LBRS + DMF trinket .

Eye of Sulfuras + LBRS + DMF = Scale with Spell Damage .

JoC + SoC + White Swings = proc Vengeance .

Still 70% of our DPS abilities that require Mana + 30% of our DPS that require 0 Mana .

If we include Procs by the 3 Items mention = 70% of our DPS comes from Spell Damage while 30% of our DPS comes from AP. (in calculation of AP at SoC included) .

or let say :

SoC+JoC+Consecration+3 Items = 80% of our DPS that all of them Scale with Spell Damage.
White Swings will be left out with 20% of our DPS.

Now :
Faster Weapon = Lower Command DPS , Slower Weapon = Higher Command DPS.
Faster Weapon = Higher White Hits , Slower Weapon = Lesser White Hits .

Glancing Blow = 15% or more DPS reduce by White Hits .

AP and SP are on independant scale , they are separated and only 1 thing make them in Common , SoC which is not the only DPS Ability that we use.

If you reduce too much AP , SP abilities will not go much high while you will reduce that 30% DPS.
If you reduce too much SP , AP ability will not go much high while you will reduce that 70% DPS.

Enjoy in PVE Theory if you are capable of understanding it .

Just gonna quote this so it won't be changed. Gonna write something later this day as I only have my tablet atm.

[justclassic]

ok dude you say sp scales with command more and im telling you strength is better for command itself. no need for this paragraph of crap. honestly a lot of things you say are just straight up false. your bug reports with wrong coefficients and trying to say cons scales with attack power. nothing you say can be true

if you want to say hand of rag and dark moon trinket scales with sp i want to see proof because you have bad history of lying or being misinformed. im pretty sure your the same guy who thought RIGHTEOUSNESS scales with strength and linked an article from woltk. if you want to be taken seriously you should try to be a bit more unbiased

Yes all those 3 Items i mention Scale with Spell Damage and should Scale. I will welcome Theoloras to give you shot about that since he know all the sources about such items.

Taken more serious ? What about ? The gearwise and DPS ? ...

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 8921_o.jpg

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 9804_o.jpg

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... Killerduki

Yes we are 100% Bugged. Nerfed , Destroyed . The fact that our Gear doesn't Match with Abilities/Talents currently is Real.
The fact that our DPS would be much Higher if Command, Judgement of Commmand was working with Spell Damage is Real.
The fact that our DPS would be much Higher if Consecration didn't get wiped by another Consecration or Maximum Debuff slots is Real.
The fact that our DPS would be much Higher if Sanctity Aura didn't get wiped out on SoC , JoC is Real.
The fact that we would been lesser "OOM" and spam more Max Rank JoC if Benediction was working is Real.

Nich working . You could argue with me for this until tomorrow.

All the things you try to defocus everyone is just pointless .

You also telling me that i lie about Seal of Righteousness ?

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=24998&p=173895#p173895

There is topic with perfect explanation at 2nd Reply by Wikipedia .

Regarding Command :

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Seal_of_C ... did=249861

7 Str or 14 AP = 1 Damage Per Hit
14 SP = 2.8 Damage per hit
7 SP = 1.8 Damage per hit

Now see what scale more?! AP or SP ...

Same as post above, I just lack tabletskills to do it in one post.

[smilkovpetko]

yes 220 ap giving u 1-2 damage is not real scaling. even the same article you linked me it says command was the only spell that scaled with attack power

but what i really want to know is proof of DMF and lbrs trinket scaling with spell power. im not talking about feenix but if it really did or not. i dont think it did, at least DMF and hand of rag, but i would like to be proven wrong as i like to pvp ret

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Darkmoon_Card:_Maelstrom

The Darkmoon Card: Maelstrom, one of four level-60 Darkmoon Cards, is a trinket received by turning in the [Elementals Deck] at the Darkmoon Faire.

It is known to crit and may be affected by +spell damage (hits over 300 have occurred on non-vulnerable targets)