How will Ret Pallies justify their raid spot?

[Talesavo]

I don't know why people keep saying SotC does way more damage than SoC. Like I said earlier, from what I've tested, SoC would do way more damage than SotC unless you had a BRE. I remember putting up much better numbers with TUF as well.

Although I'm in the camp of fixing all the paladin bugs including beneficial ones to get it closer in line to Vanilla retail. Sanc not doing anything for SoC/JoC & Benediction working should be the main goals for Nost devs to fix imo and we should be working towards that if we can.

[shamwow]

JC i had similar problem like him before. Raidstats is 1-2 years old website.

If he have done it before or if nobody did record his fight it will not be there.

At beginning when i was raiding 1 year ago in peenix , there was nobody to record . The only way i could do was screenshots (which is bad evidence but still we can't deny from what we see at least) .

I also disagree with Reckoning Pve , he have point anyway so i can't deny that.

Anyway would be good if he at least give screenshot of his DPS as Reckoning in raids. (at least this) .

In theory i believe him , in practice i disagree with that.

Also Valkyrie is not on Raidstats (only realmplayers)

Name one good reason why it wouldn't work in practise.

I am also too far for any warrior tank hitting a raid mob to aggro my mob. Until I actually get a geared reckoning spec paladin i will do 3k dps with sitting and crit for 200 every 1.5 seconds by two 100 hitting mobs.

What were you gonna say? If there's more then one raid mob then locks with rain of fire are going to aoe kill my mob? You do realize I am prepared for those 2 attacks with a range of 4 yards past me or 6 yards if they are sloppy.

Also mages can't regenerate mana like warlocks so if they spam blizzard they go oom. It isn't going to worry me. A ranged aoe is the only thing that can bother me and that means only a warlocks rain of fire is my problem. Meaning if it's used it will barely hit the mob behind me. If I hit the 3rd mob to the furthest side of the rain of fire my mob won't be hit unless you had like 5 rain of fires.

I can simply heal at that moment as a healer and be support as I move back. But this would never happen. Your mob wouldn't be hit and you'd dps even with aoes.

Now you are down to two last things. You believe I can't do that dps. That's bullsh1t, yeah... Maybe if I was only a lieutenant geared paladin

The last thing is probably the most problematic but noticeably all the small mobs are weak in raids. The larger the mob the tank is tanking. The more chance I can never have player spells hit my mob.
And usually 80% of all the raid bosses and mobs are scaled large , or are big and have a big hit areaand on top of that I just stand away from the tank or middle of the mob for rain of fire. Problem solved.

Your belief is a paladin can't output that dps while he is receiving a 1.5k hitting (non crit) buffed reckoning bomb charge. He is getting 2 of them from 2 mobs every one and a half seconds. 3k every 1.5 seconds plus his normal swing plus his other spells.

Let's not Even include the extra Crystal charges or oil of immolation or consecration.

The swing speed is 3.5 seconds with haste enchants. Let's assume.

This means 8500 damage in 3.5 seconds plus 800 damage judgement from t2 bonus every 8 seconds which is 100 dps plus another 100 dps from exorcism. That is already over 2600 dps and I haven't even used consecration which should do 1500 damage in 8 seconds with runes and mana potions to maintain it.

Thats already 2800 dps without ANY melee crits!
I rest my case.

If it was possible for a paladin to obtain the horde haste buff of blessimg of the warchief. It would allow him to do an extra 700 every 3.5 seconds, not including the 10% dmg DM buff or any mightstones.

[Theloras]

this is how Ret will justify a raid position - the skill being exhibited here is simply off the chart:

http://www.twitch.tv/malconi/v/42455576

[Imbaslap]

belgrund just made his hand of rag.
how can he perform top tier as ret in raids now?

[Holystrike]

this is how Ret will justify a raid position - the skill being exhibited here is simply off the chart:

http://www.twitch.tv/malconi/v/42455576

Yep a duel with trinket off cd and no shadow reflector because they were banned in the tournament so in the bank, and being asked not to use grenades cos he didnt have any seems legit ^^

P.S if either you or duki ever post about me, try to derail or troll me in any threads for the rest of your time on nostalrius, I will lodge a harassment claim to have your forum access limited, pretty sure I have more then enough evidence now, thanks once again you have been more then generous with your wealth of sources, you have been so helpful lately

[Theloras]

this is how Ret will justify a raid position - the skill being exhibited here is simply off the chart:

http://www.twitch.tv/malconi/v/42455576

Yep a duel with trinket off cd and no shadow reflector because they were banned in the tournament so in the bank, and being asked not to use grenades cos he didnt have any seems legit ^^

P.S if either you or duki ever post about me, try to derail or troll me in any threads for the rest of your time on nostalrius, I will lodge a harassment claim to have your forum access limited, pretty sure I have more then enough evidence now, thanks once again you have been more then generous with your wealth of sources, you have been so helpful lately

Lawl - from the guy who single handedly tried to troll/derail and $hit on Smiter's guide, all the while lying through his teeth and acting like a two faced buffoon:

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=34769

I think you forgot to take your meds this week bro - please for the sake of everyone, go back to your doctor/pharmacist and up your dosage...

PS and also then tries to mask his blatant lies by trying to erase his own actions:

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... ow#p192580

by Holystrike » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:56 pm

Edit: Removed because quoted out of context
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Holystrike wrote:
Heads up I have messaged the dev team and Isvv team multiple times about seal of crusader abuse and their view is they dont care so this should now be considered a legitimate dps rotation rather then bug abuse...

I will start using it as well.

an example of paladins abusing this broken spell can be seen through talesavo doing over 600 dps on multiple fights

although it is extremely broken and pretty much destroys any rotation the class actually uses it is extremely powerful; given the staffs actions in response to my 6 month old bug reports and constant PM's, it is the intended way in which paladins should work on nostalrius and will yield the highest dps output out of any given rotation:

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Playe ... r=Talesavo

TLDR - Lie moar bro and keep sending me 15 minutes worth of butt hurt whispers each and everyday

[Softarunt]

Ret paladins only useful if they also bring healing gear

[Theloras]

Ret paladins only useful if they also bring healing gear

I'm not even going to bother DPSing on Shazzrah or Baron Geddon anymore - there's just no point as melee, Shazzrah especially, so I will be putting on my healing gear for those fights.

That being said, I have additional sets of gear for multiple uses: a +def tanking set, an AoE tanking/reflective dmg set, a spell dmg set (6/6 blue PvP), and most recently 8/8 T1 Lawbringer set to test the 8 piece bonus AoE group heal with Nightfall.

[Softarunt]

Yeah, paladins can't keep up with "real" dps that's just how it is, even when you'll be able to use exorcism in naxx. At that point you'll still be behind warriors and warlocks cause they scale so well with gear.

Our guild on peenix, toward the end, we were running 8-9 healers for the first quarters and then we'd have 12-14 for 4hm, sapph and KT. We had 1 paladin play ret and another prot for the first half or the raid, and found it really nice not having to swap players from bench/alts.

[smilkovpetko]

Yeah, paladins can't keep up with "real" dps that's just how it is, even when you'll be able to use exorcism in naxx. At that point you'll still be behind warriors and warlocks cause they scale so well with gear.

Our guild on peenix, toward the end, we were running 8-9 healers for the first quarters and then we'd have 12-14 for 4hm, sapph and KT. We had 1 paladin play ret and another prot for the first half or the raid, and found it really nice not having to swap players from bench/alts.

sorry but peenix is not valid since in Nostalrius our Abilities working much better and scale at least with Gear.

Paladin is one of the most gear dependent class in Game , which scale quite high .

I'm not even going to bother DPSing on Shazzrah or Baron Geddon anymore - there's just no point as melee

Baron Geddon = Bubble and Full Nuke, 2x Fire Resistance Gear+Fire Resistance Aura = Full Nuke , Greater Fire Protection Potion = gg
(bribe one healer to instant dispell you)

Shazzrah = your mages and druids seems so bad that can't focus decursing MT>Melee>Raid
(decursive addon can priority which one 1st)