Paladin Ret on the Raiding Life

Re: Paladin Ret on the Raiding Life

by stimz » Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:48 pm

kegboy123 wrote:how much does attack power increase white damage for paladin?


The formula is attack power divided by 14 multiplied by weapon speed. So 14 ap with a 3.6 weapon adds 3.6 damage on whites and 2.5 on seal of command with no other talents. The thing is, you have two-handed mastery and divine strength which do not effect SP scaling at all.
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Re: Paladin Ret on the Raiding Life

by smilkovpetko » Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:57 pm

stimz wrote:Consecration does 33% in vanilla. 76% is with buffs in TBC to channeled and DoT spells.


no , it clearly says that 76% is without buffs .

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Consecrat ... id=1221573

15:31, February 25, 2008‎ Nalumis (Talk | contribs)‎ m . . (2,321 bytes) (+110)‎ . . (→‎Coefficient: - the explanation why my consecration ticks with more than calculated ;))


(Corrected Consecration co-efficient, tested with consistant results and with DrDamage addon.)

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Consecrat ... id=1271321

Consecration deals 95.24% of bonus spell damage, distributed evenly among 8 seconds.
The damage done can be increased by up to 5 % with the protection talent "One-Handed Weapon Specialization".

This is with "one-handed weapon specialization" and without aura mastery or whatsoever.

So without any boost it should be according wowwiki 76% .
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Re: Paladin Ret on the Raiding Life

by kegboy123 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:35 am

smilkovpetko wrote:
stimz wrote:Consecration does 33% in vanilla. 76% is with buffs in TBC to channeled and DoT spells.


no , it clearly says that 76% is without buffs .

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Consecrat ... id=1221573

15:31, February 25, 2008‎ Nalumis (Talk | contribs)‎ m . . (2,321 bytes) (+110)‎ . . (→‎Coefficient: - the explanation why my consecration ticks with more than calculated ;))


(Corrected Consecration co-efficient, tested with consistant results and with DrDamage addon.)

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Consecrat ... id=1271321

Consecration deals 95.24% of bonus spell damage, distributed evenly among 8 seconds.
The damage done can be increased by up to 5 % with the protection talent "One-Handed Weapon Specialization".

This is with "one-handed weapon specialization" and without aura mastery or whatsoever.

So without any boost it should be according wowwiki 76% .


that burning crusade though. one handed spec didnt increase cons damage in vanilla like it does in tbc. are we sure coefficient never changed?
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Re: Paladin Ret on the Raiding Life

by smilkovpetko » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:29 pm

kegboy123 wrote:
smilkovpetko wrote:
stimz wrote:Consecration does 33% in vanilla. 76% is with buffs in TBC to channeled and DoT spells.


no , it clearly says that 76% is without buffs .

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Consecrat ... id=1221573

15:31, February 25, 2008‎ Nalumis (Talk | contribs)‎ m . . (2,321 bytes) (+110)‎ . . (→‎Coefficient: - the explanation why my consecration ticks with more than calculated ;))


(Corrected Consecration co-efficient, tested with consistant results and with DrDamage addon.)

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Consecrat ... id=1271321

Consecration deals 95.24% of bonus spell damage, distributed evenly among 8 seconds.
The damage done can be increased by up to 5 % with the protection talent "One-Handed Weapon Specialization".

This is with "one-handed weapon specialization" and without aura mastery or whatsoever.

So without any boost it should be according wowwiki 76% .


that burning crusade though. one handed spec didnt increase cons damage in vanilla like it does in tbc. are we sure coefficient never changed?


https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=25001

even there is another thing that shows the same as this .
unless someone show me blizzard or wowwiki thing to prove me opposite i will not trust to any fake website.
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Re: Paladin Ret on the Raiding Life

by JCarrill0 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:30 pm

kegboy123 wrote:that burning crusade though. one handed spec didnt increase cons damage in vanilla like it does in tbc. are we sure coefficient never changed?

Correct me if I am wrong:
Vanilla wrote:One-handed Weapon Specialization
- Increase the damage you deal with one-handed melee weapon by 2/4/6/8/10%

TBC wrote:One-handed Weapon Specialization
- Increase all damage you deal with one-handed melee weapon by 1/2/3/4/5%

This is clearly a difference is it not?
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Re: Paladin Ret on the Raiding Life

by smilkovpetko » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:44 pm

JCarrill0 wrote:
kegboy123 wrote:that burning crusade though. one handed spec didnt increase cons damage in vanilla like it does in tbc. are we sure coefficient never changed?

Correct me if I am wrong:
Vanilla wrote:One-handed Weapon Specialization
- Increase the damage you deal with one-handed melee weapon by 2/4/6/8/10%

TBC wrote:One-handed Weapon Specialization
- Increase all damage you deal with one-handed melee weapon by 1/2/3/4/5%

This is clearly a difference is it not?


perhaps you should start reading at descriptions of it before it is changed :

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/One-Hande ... did=767948

(vanilla version) :

Rank Increases by
1 2%
2 4%
3 6%
4 8%
5 10%
Description

Increases all damage you deal when a one-handed weapon is equipped.

Note* This should include spell damage dealt when a one handed weapon is equipped.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/One-Hande ... did=768020

TBC Version

Rank Increases by
1 1%
2 2%
3 3%
4 4%
5 5%
Description

Increases all damage you deal when a one-handed weapon is equipped.

Note* This should include spell damage dealt when a one handed weapon is equipped.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/One-Hande ... id=1962854

Wotlk Version

Rank Damage increase
1 4%
2 7%
3 10%

This affects all damage done, not just melee auto attacks.


The only difference was the "Damage per rank" .
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Re: Paladin Ret on the Raiding Life

by JCarrill0 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:53 pm

because the vanilla version does not increase all damage, just the Damage with Melee weapons. Am I wrong?
in other words, spell like Consecration is not effected until TBC. I don't mind being wrong, but I was under the impression this is not effected like this until TBC. If a Nost player can confirm it works like that, (link some combat logs) that would be awesome.
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Re: Paladin Ret on the Raiding Life

by smilkovpetko » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:58 pm

JCarrill0 wrote:because the vanilla version does not increase all damage, just the Damage with Melee weapons. Am I wrong?
in other words, spell like Consecration is not effected until TBC. I don't mind being wrong, but I was under the impression this is not effected like this until TBC. If a Nost player can confirm it works like that, (link some combat logs) that would be awesome.


wow wiki says that you are wrong .

if you have read it's changes , revisions and notes that i posted above.
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Re: Paladin Ret on the Raiding Life

by JCarrill0 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:00 pm

smilkovpetko wrote:
JCarrill0 wrote:because the vanilla version does not increase all damage, just the Damage with Melee weapons. Am I wrong?
in other words, spell like Consecration is not effected until TBC. I don't mind being wrong, but I was under the impression this is not effected like this until TBC. If a Nost player can confirm it works like that, (link some combat logs) that would be awesome.


wow wiki says that you are wrong .

if you have read it's changes , revisions and notes .

Like I mentioned, we need a combat log from Nost player to confirm, not something from a wikipedia (where anyone can edit stuff). I trust the source Duki, but again it could be wrong.
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Re: Paladin Ret on the Raiding Life

by stimz » Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:17 pm

just look up a post zg pre tbc ret vid and do the math when they zg trinket conse. also jotc effects consecration but im not at home to test. it definitely gets baby scaling from jotc.

also wikis should just be used as reference as shown by that guy who conned fenix devs with edits, which were used as proof for this sever. were like 8 months in with wotlk consecration.
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