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[Theloras]

Additional context for Holystrike - based on his self-hate filled shitting all over Smiter, Duki and myself:

The phrase "Uncle Tom" has also become an epithet for a person who is slavish and excessively subservient to perceived authority figures, particularly a black person who behaves in a subservient manner to white people; or any person perceived to be complicit in the oppression of their own group.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom

literally what the fuck?

Is this better for you?

house nigger
A black person that does their best to please white people even if it means disowning their own racial identity.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... use+nigger

[Holystrike]

Additional context for Holystrike - based on his self-hate filled shitting all over Smiter, Duki and myself:

The phrase "Uncle Tom" has also become an epithet for a person who is slavish and excessively subservient to perceived authority figures, particularly a black person who behaves in a subservient manner to white people; or any person perceived to be complicit in the oppression of their own group.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom

literally what the fuck?

Is this better for you?

house nigger
A black person that does their best to please white people even if it means disowning their own racial identity.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... use+nigger

reported.

[Theloras]

it's a literary and historical term - and pretty spot on when describing Holystrike's behaviour on the forums:

The house nigger, as defined by Malcolm X, is the slave who imagines himself to be thought of as kin by his master because they live in the same house.

"Uncle Tom House Niggers do scare me" - KRS One "House Niggas" (1989)

Originally a term used during slave times for slaves who worked in the master's house on a plantation, it is now derisively used for Black people who are always trying to ingratiate themselves with their neo-conservative white "masters" by distancing themselves from everything Black, such as rap music.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... use+nigger

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Origin and meaning
The term was used in the speech "Message to the Grass Roots" (1963) by African-American activist Malcolm X, wherein he explains that during slavery, there were two kinds of slaves: "house Negroes", who worked in the master's house, and "field Negroes", who performed the manual labor outside. He characterizes the house Negro as having a better life than the field Negro, and thus being unwilling to leave the plantation and potentially more likely to support existing power structures that favor whites over blacks. Malcolm X identified with the field Negro.

The term is used against individuals, in critiques of attitudes within the African American community, and as a borrowed term for critiquing parallel situations. For example,as Natalie Pompilio reports in Legacy.com:
"At the peak of comic Flip Wilson's popularity, some of his contemporaries criticized him for not doing enough to advance the cause of African-Americans. After all, his hit television program, The Flip Wilson Show, gave him access to millions of viewers each week in the heavily segregated America of the early 1970s. Yet his humor was lighthearted and apolitical. Richard Pryor even told Flip he was 'the NBC house Negro'."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Negro

[Holystrike]

it's a literary and historical term - and pretty spot on when describing Holystrike's behaviour on the forums:

The house nigger, as defined by Malcolm X, is the slave who imagines himself to be thought of as kin by his master because they live in the same house.

"Uncle Tom House Niggers do scare me" - KRS One "House Niggas" (1989)

Originally a term used during slave times for slaves who worked in the master's house on a plantation, it is now derisively used for Black people who are always trying to ingratiate themselves with their neo-conservative white "masters" by distancing themselves from everything Black, such as rap music.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... use+nigger

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Origin and meaning
The term was used in the speech "Message to the Grass Roots" (1963) by African-American activist Malcolm X, wherein he explains that during slavery, there were two kinds of slaves: "house Negroes", who worked in the master's house, and "field Negroes", who performed the manual labor outside. He characterizes the house Negro as having a better life than the field Negro, and thus being unwilling to leave the plantation and potentially more likely to support existing power structures that favor whites over blacks. Malcolm X identified with the field Negro.

The term is used against individuals, in critiques of attitudes within the African American community, and as a borrowed term for critiquing parallel situations. For example,as Natalie Pompilio reports in Legacy.com:
"At the peak of comic Flip Wilson's popularity, some of his contemporaries criticized him for not doing enough to advance the cause of African-Americans. After all, his hit television program, The Flip Wilson Show, gave him access to millions of viewers each week in the heavily segregated America of the early 1970s. Yet his humor was lighthearted and apolitical. Richard Pryor even told Flip he was 'the NBC house Negro'."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Negro

reported... comparing the oppression of back people to people trolling rets on a videogame is not the same thing... even slightly.

[Theloras]

It has nothing to do with forum trolls shitting on Retribution Paladins - that I can deal with and have been for the past several years both here and back on Peenix.

However, it does have everything to do with Retribution Paladins having self-hatred for their own class/spec and $hitting on their fellow Ret Paladins because they disagree with them = Uncle Tom syndrome on your part here.

For example, I disagree with Duki on his Retribution play style, gear choices and rotation and have said so publicly (because of current itemization here on Nost and the bugs affecting it), but we can still have a mutual respectful and intelligent conversation about it. To give people the option of whether they want to try it out, I've even listed it in my guide.

You on the other hand are on an entirely different level and the amount of self-hatred you possess for other Retribution Paladins because they play the game differently than you do is quite literally off the charts...

[smilkovpetko]

by pastebin » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:06 pm
Killerduki, I sympathize with you my friend, I actually do, you are right when you say that every spec is viable in this 12 year old game and people give you more shit than they should, but all you have is spammable garbage stats that you never put into practice and cannot find a single realmplayers link to back your shit up. You present whatever data you have in unreadable manners that somehow always make you look like you are in the right when in fact nothing in reality proves that way. Also, oil of immolation is not bugged on Nostalrius and does no benefit from SP at all. Holystrike also only has r12 gear, not Field Marshal like you are claiming, and the boots are relativly useless for ret compared to some BWL options, so you are basically inventing reasons for doing less dmg than a NOT BiS geared Ret while wearing AQ40 content gear in BWL.

no idea if you actually read something , there was many realmstats posted and there was even explanation regarding bugs and gear difference.

Thus there was also gear comparance t2 vs marshal gear, draconic maul vs ashkandi .

With that gear , and all the worse bugs in previous server Holystrike came here to compare his dps versus my dps on other worse bugged server.

In 1 word , Holystrike took all our advice and theory how to play this game as Retribution Paladin , in before his enchants was Strength on weapon , Spell damage on Legs/Helm , his trinkets was BB and his itemization was kinda more Warrior oriented.

He barely did 100 dps , you can see on his history logs, but once me and theloras teach him how to play he had start to progress and getting those metters high as he is today.

The problem is here : after all this "learning" from theloras and duki , he came here and bullshit on us.

As for 1 Target : http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... ssLimit=Pa

Holystrike with all those fixed bugs is nowhere my dps.

Next he talk about relevant content. (i will talk for High end Boss)

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... ssLimit=Pa

Holystrike doesn't even exist in this list , where i top him on every single aspect in game.

With all the abilities that was not scaling there with spell damage i got left only with my agility/str/int and aoe only , where Spell Damage didn't work , and he is trying to compare frogs with cabbages right here.

Next is the Preformance during the Raid :

BWL :
http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidO ... Raid=30429

Holystrike doesn't exist on Trash Clearing , doesn't exist on Healing meters also.

Here is the Preformance of Killerduki during the Raid:

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidO ... Raid=10395

Top 2 on Trash Clearing , 100 DPS more than Holystrike on All Bosses together Overall and who care about Healing when you can do top DPS .

And now we have Holystrike "self defending" like innocent kid when he take over and attack us only because he got the mighty Marshal gear and successful got some meters due to "bugged" immolation oil which it scale with Spell Damage (gives him 100 dps extra) and it is not yet fixed!.

[Fagatron]

I dont Even Know why i wasted my time reading this premature "mimimi no, im better than you" bullshit for a dps Class no one cares and Ever will Care about.
Have fun tho

[Holystrike]

Killerduki, im going to say this one final time, i have ignored litterally everything you have ever said other then to use the darkmoon fair card.... this can be seen pretty damn clearly through our gear being not even remotely similar...

I mean if i had taken any of what you had said seriously i would be doing even worse then the terrible dps you do in t2.5.

As we both know your theory crafting is lacking to say the least I mean it is proven within this thread alone set aside the countless times I have schooled you on how to play ret.

in reality you actually had no idea how to even gear until i revised your entire bis list over skype... I mean you actually thought 5/8T2 Was bis... its terrible... even after the spell damage update. 5/8 pieces of bis were which you were completely wrong about.

You have litterally admitted as much in this thread as shown here:

by smilkovpetko » Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:13 am
the only wrong i was that i tough t2 had stats with sp

Albeit you have a good understanding of the basic mechanics of paladins in general your understanding of end-game retribution raiding is limited and warped.... as is proven by your terrible dps in 3/5 t2.5 and 5/8t2 in comparison to my far higher dps and far worse gear...

Killerduki 3/5 T2.5 5/8 T2 Terrible dps...
http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Playe ... Killerduki

Holystrike worse gear better dps...
http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Playe ... Holystrike

I can guarantee you when I have 3/5 T2.5 my ambitions wont be anywhere as low.

This is why in litterally every single post when i mention or advise that people look at your guide i intentionally say things like "jumping point" or "get started" because none of your guides are actually applicable to end-game content... Sorry to break it to you but you kind of pushed me into telling you the truth, again was trying to be nice.

Killerduki when you are actually allowed to raid past MC; which i doubt will ever happen againconsidering all the bridges you have burnt, I will be very excited to see what sort of numbers you are able to generate until then...
you should just stop posting.

Although feenix was a big server for its time and as you have claimed time and time again you may have been a big player over there in comparison to nostalrius it was tiny, your competition limited and the skill-cap more then likely set by yourself and theoloras alone...

Stop trying to live vicariously through me and try to rise to the challenge and compete, my dps is higher then yours in worse gear distinctly because I never took your advice... not because of it,

if you are so sure your style of a heavily stacked spell damage paladin is viable; and more viable then my hyrbrid ret, all i can say is prove it.

at the moment all i can see is excuses, step up.

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Can a GM please lock this thread or hes going to kee trolling and im going to keep biting >_<
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[smilkovpetko]

I mean if i had taken any of what you had said seriously i would be doing even worse then the terrible dps you do in t2.5.

Sadly not that you taken seriously , but you changed your Gear seriously in the way i said .

As we both know your theory crafting is lacking to say the least I mean it is proven within this thread alone set aside the countless times I have schooled you on how to play ret.

That's why you replaced Crusader enchant on Weapon , that's why you changed spell damage from leg/head .

You just took everything , literally everything we have told you to. And today you are using everything that told you to use.

in reality you actually had no idea how to even gear until i revised your entire bis list over skype... I mean you actually thought 5/8T2 Was bis... its terrible... even after the spell damage update. 5/8 pieces of bis were which you were completely wrong about.

I never even said 5/8T2 Bis , even i posted the list http://www.wow-one.com/forum/topic/9841 ... nal-guide/

In before , Holystrike Gear was Warrior Gear , until you saw my Gear and start changing your own.

Albeit you have a good understanding of the basic mechanics of paladins in general your understanding of end-game retribution raiding is limited and warped.... as is proven by your terrible dps in 3/5 t2.5 and 5/8t2 in comparison to my far higher dps and far worse gear...

You posting links where i am "offline and average dps" is different because i played 80% of the Time Protection Paladin

I repeat when i playing retribution :

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidO ... Raid=30429
Holystrike doesn't exist on Trash DPS , and do 244 DPS on All Bosses (average).

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidO ... Raid=10395
Killerduki TOP 2 DPS on Trash, and do 364 DPS on All Bosses (average).

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... ssLimit=Pa
(most relevant fight to compare is High End Boss)
Holystrike doesn't even exist there.

I can guarantee you when I have 3/5 T2.5 my ambitions wont be anywhere as low.

When i will have the same Gear in Server and when i will have Ashkandi , i will swallow you on every single fight that exist in this server , especially in server where our abilities are working properly.

Do you even understand that you have Marshal Gear which is high quality (especially Gloves) where Spell Damage is working and Holy Damage gives 100% Coefficient compare to other server where they absolutely didn't work at all.

This is why in litterally every single post when i mention or advise that people look at your guide i intentionally say things like "jumping point" or "get started" because none of your guides are actually applicable to end-game content... Sorry to break it to you but you kind of pushed me into telling you the truth, again was trying to be nice.

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... le#p228068

I would say the two paladins who have provided alot of information for players on Nostalrius within the forums; and have a deep understanding of the class, would be Theloras and Smilkovpetko (Killerduki) and their guides generally provide a good jumping point for getting into the class.

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 27#p180527

**Duki can theory craft paladins better then anyone on the server**

Good at least those are your words , which you even use my Theorycraft today (so you are even self denying).

"you used crusader on weapon and sp on legs/helm" , and now you took the agility that i told you to.

Killerduki when you are actually allowed to raid past MC; which i doubt will ever happen againconsidering all the bridges you have burnt, I will be very excited to see what sort of numbers you are able to generate until then...
you should just stop posting.

haha bridges i have burnt? only because you got boosted in some content doesn't gives you power or skill at all .

My skills will make people allow me in Contents and when i get there, you will enjoy when i swallow all the meters that you work so hard to achieve thanks to me and Theloras.

Although feenix was a big server for its time and as you have claimed time and time again you may have been a big player over there in comparison to nostalrius it was tiny, your competition limited and the skill-cap more then likely set by yourself and theoloras alone...

Again of your "self minded" conversation where you clearly never give sources but nothing more than putting words in my mouth .

I never said that server as "great" at all , it was far worse where Spell Damage didn't work at all with our Retribution Spec.

Stop trying to live vicariously through me and try to rise to the challenge and compete, my dps is higher then yours in worse gear distinctly because I never took your advice... not because of it,

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidO ... Raid=30429
Holystrike DPS

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidO ... Raid=10395
Killerduki DPS

(sorry to hurt your feelings) but in every single aspect of the Game i am beating you in DPS.
Trash and Bosses , no matter what , you are still far miles away with you Ashkandi that is Boosting your Consecration .

if you are so sure your style of a heavily stacked spell damage paladin is viable; and more viable then my hyrbrid ret, all i can say is prove it.

And now you are bragging because you got Marshal Gear to Boost your DPS with Spell Damage.
(you just contradict your own gear with this words) , not only that you took this Gear because i Advice you , but you also using it in Raids.

at the moment all i can see is excuses, step up.

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Can a GM please lock this thread or hes going to kee trolling and im going to keep biting >_<
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Telling last words won't get you anywhere safe after all the Bullshit you start to trashtalk against me. Not at all.

If you were so good , why did you never open your own Guide , why you was saying "killerduki can theorycraft the best from all paladins in server" GG.

Now go sleep kid, you have lot to learn especially to learn how to respect your Teachers.


#This will hurt your Feelings because you got rekt with Evidence.

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 5553_o.jpg



The Day when i was Teaching you how to DPS , see yourself using Crusader Enchant when we told you to Replace that.

Also the day when i was teaching you to don't use Seal of Righteousness or Seal of the Crusader , and the day i teach you that Seal of Command is best Seal for you in raid.

You can't lie people and get away forever by insulting/attacking killerduki,theloras,smiter or any other paladin.

Whatever you say , won't work because i have screenshots as evidence of my teaching you to change your playstyle that today you are advocating to everyone as your own personal.

Now good luck as i expect another Lie or Offense , because you can't get away from Truth . I am off for now as the Topic will surely be lock thanks to Holystrike.

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=35413

[DrearyYew]