Mid Level Pallytanking?

[TheFishyOne]

'ey guys.

I'm 34, and being as I spend so much time in instances, I took an early plunge and went a full Prot + Consc spec. However, not only do I feel super squishy, but I feel I have aggro issues. Granted, a lot of it is the DPS refusing to obey marks, or Huntards pulling wildly, like I can taunt that shit off 'em, but a couple of times in SM, I have lost mobs to the healer, and one was a Holy Pally with Salv on.

Granted, right now I only have 1/3 in Imp RF, but when I was tanking in Gnomer just one level ago (and with Theloras's all-purpose spec), stuff was GLUED to me, whereas now it...isn't. Plus, even with Shield Spec, I'm squishy like a Druid who won't shift out of Kitty Form. Finally, @ 34, it seems like 35 Elites in SM Lib resist my JoR 1 out of every 4 times(!) Is spell resistance just broken on this server?

My RealmPlayers link is: http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... er=Geofram
My current spec is: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sxVzZVhbs

Any advice on how I can hold better aggro and subject fewer healers to preraid burnout would be super.

[foszy]

I tried tanking in SM a couple of times but decided to not do anymore afterwards. we always made it through, but it was extremely stressful. And I do think that a paladin is the worst class to tank those instances for a single reason. The mobs throw up priest shields like crazy. You don't have taunt or any ability that creates threat without doing damage. And thanks to the shields, you won't do any damage to those mobs. So they'll go off chasing your healer or your dd's blast down the shield so fast and have their full rotation up before you built a proper amount of threat. On top of that, quite a few are casters, so you lose the extra threat from your ret aura and it's harder to consecrate properly (add to that the ranged dds firing at them while you still can't reach them and you can't consecrate at all).
I think tanking there as a pally is doable. But only if the dds understand what the problem is and act accordingly, calculating their damage, focusing the right target and being aware of shields. And in about 90% of groups, you won't have that. So tanking will be quite stressful to say the least.

I tanked Stockades, Gnome, RFK and now tank RFD and Ulda without any problems. But I would not go into SM as a tank with a random group. I got almost everything I needed by going there as a healer with a druid tank or a tank who didn't need the stuff anymore.

[smilkovpetko]

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sE0zZVhhh

use this talent tree
aggro issue solved + mana issue solve (divine intellect or improved seal of righteous is your choice) i still go divine intellect for more aoe or judges or seals spam.

my current mana is 1100 and my current health is 1500 unbuffed with 1800 armor (pre rfk gear) .

p.s use wizard oils by enchanters for more aggro and get more pre sm gear if you want to not be squishy .

even warriors are squishy on dungeons without gear requirement on current dungeon.

example :

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... Killerduki

best pre "rfk" and "gnomeregan" gear look like this.

p,s i see gloves are not updated (have from bfd) , and wrist from stockade.

try to join my runs and check how it goes as prot paladin on low lvl.

[smilkovpetko]

I tried tanking in SM a couple of times but decided to not do anymore afterwards. we always made it through, but it was extremely stressful. And I do think that a paladin is the worst class to tank those instances for a single reason. The mobs throw up priest shields like crazy. You don't have taunt or any ability that creates threat without doing damage. And thanks to the shields, you won't do any damage to those mobs. So they'll go off chasing your healer or your dd's blast down the shield so fast and have their full rotation up before you built a proper amount of threat. On top of that, quite a few are casters, so you lose the extra threat from your ret aura and it's harder to consecrate properly (add to that the ranged dds firing at them while you still can't reach them and you can't consecrate at all).
I think tanking there as a pally is doable. But only if the dds understand what the problem is and act accordingly, calculating their damage, focusing the right target and being aware of shields. And in about 90% of groups, you won't have that. So tanking will be quite stressful to say the least.

I tanked Stockades, Gnome, RFK and now tank RFD and Ulda without any problems. But I would not go into SM as a tank with a random group. I got almost everything I needed by going there as a healer with a druid tank or a tank who didn't need the stuff anymore.

so huge negative story.

tell your group to stay back , pull 1 target with judgement , run back and hide behind wall and cast your aoe with retri aura . all casters will go to you close and will start melee hit you time to time.
Stun the shield npc's inside your aoe,dps to blown their shield 1st.

catch them with aoe and here is your trash tanking issue solved.

get pre sm gear and surviving is cake. i tank without cc so easy and pulling always 1-2 groups .

regardless which dungeon you go for , if you dont have the gear requirement it will all be same for any tank.

[TheFishyOne]

Duki,

Although I feel that, @ 35, Imp SoR can save you more mana than Div Int will give you <no INT on gear, here) using Wizard Oil is a great idea, and I am going to figure out a way to kick myself in the ass for not thinking of it. Thanks!

Finally, although I should have went 3/3 Imp RF over Shield Spec, it's too late to fix it now, and I'm not paying 10g for such a minor respec that will look the same as my current spec by 36, anyway. That said, I leveled up yesterday, and now have 2/3 Imp RF. Although Aggro is still a BIT dicey, it's MUCH better now, and I believe that level 36 and 3/3 Imp RF will fix my threat issues for good.

[foszy]

so huge negative story.

tell your group to stay back , pull 1 target with judgement , run back and hide behind wall and cast your aoe with retri aura . all casters will go to you close and will start melee hit you time to time.
Stun the shield npc's inside your aoe,dps to blown their shield 1st.

catch them with aoe and here is your trash tanking issue solved.

Well, sure. That's how it's supposed to go. But from my experience with random groups it's more like: pull one traget with judgement, run back behind a wall, watch the three dps start attacking the mobs who are running towards you. Then watch them scatter and jump around once the mobs lock onto them.

As I said, it's possible if everyone knows what they are doing. But a lot of people have no idea and would rather not lose a second of dealing damage instead of having a safe run. So yeah, I'd stay away from instances that are filled with mobs like that. At least if the group is a random one.

[smilkovpetko]

so huge negative story.

tell your group to stay back , pull 1 target with judgement , run back and hide behind wall and cast your aoe with retri aura . all casters will go to you close and will start melee hit you time to time.
Stun the shield npc's inside your aoe,dps to blown their shield 1st.

catch them with aoe and here is your trash tanking issue solved.

Well, sure. That's how it's supposed to go. But from my experience with random groups it's more like: pull one traget with judgement, run back behind a wall, watch the three dps start attacking the mobs who are running towards you. Then watch them scatter and jump around once the mobs lock onto them.

As I said, it's possible if everyone knows what they are doing. But a lot of people have no idea and would rather not lose a second of dealing damage instead of having a safe run. So yeah, I'd stay away from instances that are filled with mobs like that. At least if the group is a random one.

solution = kick them and replace them when they don't follow basic orders of "stay back" and "pulling back" ,

i find that easy to do during my runs.

[TheFishyOne]

solution = kick them and replace them when they don't follow basic orders of "stay back" and "pulling back"

This.

'twas commonplace during TBC on Live, and once the DPS sees that you're not fucking around, they're more likely to play with their heads, and not their asses.