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Greetings,

I want to share some of my experience as a dedicated Retribution Paladin in the PvE continent to give the beginners guidance, or even provide more experienced players with some useful information.

Abbreviations:

Seal of the Crusader: SotC
Seal of the Righteousness: SoR
Judgement of Seal of Righteousness: JSoR
Judgement of Seal of Wisdom: JSoW
Out of mana: OOM
Spell Power: SP
Attack Power: AP
MP5: Mana per 5 seconds
MP1: Mana per 1 second
One Hand: 1-H

Talent Tree:

Retribution

Gear BiS-preraid

Helm: Lieutenant Commander's Lamellar Headguard - Lesser Arcanum of Voracity
Neck: Beads of Ogre Mojo
Shoulder: Lieutenant Commander's Lamellar Shoulders - Zandalar Signet of Mojo
Back: Cape of the Black Baron - Formula: Enchant Cloak - Lesser Agility
Chest: Knight-Captain's Lamellar Breastplate - Formula: Enchant Chest - Greater Stats
Wrist: Battleborn Armbraces - Formula: Enchant Bracer - Mana Regeneration
One Hand: Ironfoe - Formula: Enchant Weapon - Spell Power
Off Hand: Scepter of Interminable Focus
Relic: Libram of Fervor
Hands: Knight-Lieutenant's Lamellar Gauntlets - Formula: Enchant Gloves - Greater Agility
Belt: Girdle of Uther
Legs: Knight-Captain's Lamellar Leggings - Lesser Arcanum of Voracity
Boots: Knight-Lieutenant's Lamellar Sabatons - Formula: Enchant Boots - Greater Agility
Finger: Tarnished Elven Ring
Finger: Tarnished Elven Ring
Trinket: Blackhand's Breadth
Trinket: Hand of Justice

Gear BiS

Helm: Avenger's Crown - Lesser Arcanum of Voracity
Neck: Amulet of Vek'nilash
Shoulder: Avenger's Pauldrons - Power of the Scourge
Back: Cloak of Concentrated Hatred - Formula: Enchant Cloak - Subtlety
Chest: Avenger's Breastplate - Formula: Enchant Chest - Greater Stats
Wrist: Wristguards of Vengeance - Formula: Enchant Bracer - Greater Intellect
One Hand: Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker - Formula: Enchant Weapon - Spell Power
Off Hand: Sapphiron's Left Eye
Relic: Libram of Fervor
Hands: Gauntlets of the Righteous Champion - Formula: Enchant Gloves - Superior Agility
Belt: Belt of the Grand Crusader
Legs: Avenger's Legguards - Lesser Arcanum of Voracity
Boots: Avenger's Greaves - Formula: Enchant Boots - Greater Agility
Finger: Band of Unnatural Forces
Finger: Band of Accuria
Trinket: Kiss of the Spider
Trinket: Neltharion's Tear

Note: The BiS list is to show you what gear to thrive for. There is other gear combinations for these builds (easier obtained pieces).

Consumables:

Brilliant Wizard Oil
Flask of Supreme Power
Elixir of the Mongoose
Elixir of Greater Intellect
Greater Arcane Elixir
Mageblood Potion
Demonic Rune / Dark Rune
Major Mana Potion
Winterfall Firewater
Swiftness of Zanza
Stratholme Holy Water
Thorium Grenade
Dense Dynamite
Cerebral Cortex Compound
Juju Power
Juju Might
Juju Flurry
Nightfin Soup
Oil of Immolation
Goblin Sapper Charge

Note: Only some of the standard consumables have been listed for pure damage, there are other other consumables which can be required for different. Dense Dynamite works on bosses and Thorium Grenade works on trash.

Gameplay:

Your main abilities are Judgement of Seal of Righteousness, Consecration & you will need to have SoR up all the time.

When you are on single target's you will be judging SotC first, then change to SoR (never stop judging SoR, but have SotC up on your target). Always have Consecration up, I havent calculated which rank with the highest co-efficency. You should calculate which rank of Consecration you can use with your current gear and which boss etc, so do the math beforehand to be sure of not going OOM.

Information:

This is indeed a mana-consuming build, but in my point of view it's the best and most viable build for an Retribution Paladin. From years of experience in high-end continent as an Retribution Paladin, this is the way to go.

I'm happy to help and I would gladly give more advanced information regarding gameplay, specialization, build, consumables and the theorycrafting about Paladins if it's in desire.


Stat-Prioritization:

Note: I will only calculate my numbers as a Human, so Dwarf paladins is not included in these numbers(Humans and Dwarfs have different stats). Also I will not go into absolutely every detail so hang in there, I'll try to make it as easy as I can.

I will calculate using numbers from the BiS-peraid gear below(I'm not going to calculate with my new BiS-preraid list, since I flunked math this year lol and I'm tired), when fully buffed with from the consumable list. Also class buffs is included in these calculations.

Helm: Soulforge Helm - Lesser Arcanum of Voracity
Neck: Beads of Ogre Mojo
Shoulder: Soulforge Spaulders - Zandalar Signet of Mojo
Back: Cloak of the Hakkari Worshippers - Formula: Enchant Cloak - Subtlety
Chest: Soulforge Breastplate - Formula: Enchant Chest - Greater Stats
Wrist: Battleborn Armbraces - Formula: Enchant Bracer - Mana Regeneration
One Hand: Ironfoe - Formula: Enchant Weapon - Spell Power
Off Hand: Scepter of Interminable Focus
Relic: Libram of Fervor
Hands: Soulforge Gauntlets - Formula: Enchant Gloves - Superior Agility
Belt: Soulforge Belt
Legs: Titanic Leggings - Lesser Arcanum of Voracity
Boots: Soulforge Boots - Formula: Enchant Boots - Greater Agility
Finger: Tarnished Elven Ring
Finger: Tarnished Elven Ring
Trinket: Blackhand's Breadth
Trinket: Hand of Justice

Indeed, you clearly want the 8% hit.

Afterwards you should concentrate on having enough melee crit to have a fair amount of vengeance uptime(15% increased physical and holy damage). You can easily check how much uptime you have by using this formula: 1-(1-(crit/100))^(8/weaponspeed). In this case it will be: 1-(1-(32/100))^(8/2.4) = 0,72 | You will have an vengeance uptime with 72%. In addition to the 72% uptime from white-hits, you have a judgement that you use every eight second. So that will increase your vengeance uptime.

So that's the formula, but it's not accurate according to my gear-setup. Since you have Ironfoe and Hand of Justice this adds more white-hits, which means that you will have a better vengeance uptime than what you have calculated.

Before you start to think about how much spell power and strength/AP that you need. Take a deep breath, then try to find out how your mana-sustainability currently are. You can check that by doing this:

Mana from abilities pr. min (without any buffs or manaregain)= 90 (Judgement) + 170 (SoR) + 135 (Consecration R1) = 395 * 10 = 3950 | 3950/80 = 49,375 * 60 = 2962,5 mana pr. min.
Manaregain= 76 MP5 | 59 MP2.4 (JSoW) | 156 MP5 (DR, MMP) | 15,2 + 25 + 31 = 71,2 MP1 | 71,2 * 60 = 4272 pr. min. (Take in account that Ironfoe and Hand of Justice procs is not in these calculations, so in reality you gain even more mana (JSoW). I can calculate how much mana you gain with these items also, if you fancy it.

Note: You can clearly see that mana is not an issue if you use consumables.

Spell power is indeed important, since SP is stacking with your abilities (SoR, JSOR, Consecration).

AP is important also, since your white-hits contributes a lot of your total damage, so you'll need to balance these out by using all-stats sets like: Lieutenant Commander's Redoubt, Field Marshal's Aegis, Judgement Armor, Avenger's Battlegear.

Stamina is self-explainatory.

I can get more into spirit another time if it's desired.

Summary:

Priority order: Hit - Crit - Mana - Spell power & AP - Stamina - Spirit

Note: crit and mana is something you'll need to calculate as mention above, so when you have enough to be sustained, the other stats will of course be more of importance.

If there is something I missed that you want me to explain, then go ahead and tell me. I just shared some of my basic-knowledge, please come with suggestions to improve this guide.


Kind regards,

Brock.

This isnt feenix.

A fine first post.

fixed

As Holystrike said.

Just to let you know that : Improved Seal of Righteousness does not scale and should never scale with Spell Damage until TBC ..

This talent gives only 5-10 for 1h and 10-15 for 2h damage maximum .

Also in this server Seal of Command is working with Spell Damage .

immolation oil does not work with spell damage too . (also not allowed by nost to be used in pve ) .

smilkovpetko wrote:As Holystrike said.

Just to let you know that : Improved Seal of Righteousness does not scale and should never scale with Spell Damage until TBC ..

This talent gives only 5-10 for 1h and 10-15 for 2h damage maximum .

Give me a link with proof of what you are saying is true or not. I find it hard to take your word for it after seeing your other statements on several posts.

smilkovpetko wrote:Also in this server Seal of Command is working with Spell Damage .

What does Seal of Command working with SP have to do with this guide?

smilkovpetko wrote:immolation oil does not work with spell damage too . (also not allowed by nost to be used in pve ) .

I have never said that Oil of Immolation is stacking with SP.

PS: I'd like to see a link which is stating that Oil of Immolation is not allowed to be used on Nostalrius in PvE.

BoxerBriefly wrote:A fine first post.

Thank you.

problem is not "finding hard to trust me" .

Problem is if you willing to accept something that is not Feenix.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.1.0 (TBC)

-Improved Seal of Righteousness: The percentage increase in damage from this talent is now applied after all bonuses from items and effects which increase your spell damage.

(which mean it should never be increased by spell damage until tbc making this "much useless talent that i never use" and gives us barely 5-10 damage or max 19 tps per sor swing.

Regarding Immolation oil :

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... il#p121861

i will let theloras explain you regarding immolation oil more since he have witness people eating ban for that.

Thunderfury also does not and should never scale with spell damage.

don't get me wrong , i like your guide but i want to let you be aware of the bugs and stuffs that are not same as Feenix.


Another thing = your guide will be Valid only (if my report for sor get fixed) since neither Feenix , neither Nostalrius is using Vanilla SoR version.

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2762

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=24998

i did reply this sort of message because :

If there is something I missed that you want me to explain, then go ahead and tell me. I just shared some of my basic-knowledge, please come with suggestions to improve this guide.

Brock wrote:Greetings,

I want to share some of my experience as a dedicated Retribution Paladin in the PvE continent to give the beginners guidance, or even provide more experienced players with some useful information.

I'm not sure this guide was written for Nost, but perhaps another server?

A few questions I have for you.
1) why is your guide not structured around Nost if your listing pre-raid gear? (You have no substitutes for the gear not obtainable)

2) Since you mention PvE and not PvP, what are you recommending on how to raid?

3) I see you only recommend 1h weapons, why would you suggest that when 2h spec is in the Ret tree, not to mention you linked an offhand that is not obtainable, would t it be better to use 2h for Ret?

Brock wrote:Retribution

4) I notice Talents that are not working properly in this build, could you perhaps give a detailed explanation on why certain talents are being over over other that are not?

Brock wrote:Information:

This is indeed a mana-consuming build, but in my point of view it's the best and most viable build for an Retribution Paladin. From years of experience in high-end continent as an Retribution Paladin, this is the way to go.

I'm happy to help and I would gladly give more advanced information regarding gameplay, specialization, build, consumables and the theorycrafting about Paladins if it's in desire.

5) in my experience Most Paladins always used 2hander, I did know of some using 1handers, but how can this be considered the most viable build when most did not follow the same method, mainly on the mana consumption alone?

Brock wrote:Note: You can clearly see that mana is not an issue if you use consumables.

That's not accurate though when the gear is not obtainable, making pre-raid and Current raid extremely hard since they are being unable to get this gear!

Brock wrote:Indeed, you clearly want the 8% hit.

This is for 2 hander and melee, not spell power (Spell hit is actually 16% for casters), if you want melee 1hander it's more then 8% (please correct me if I am wrong on this)

Brock wrote:Spell power is indeed important, since SP is stacking with your abilities (SoR, JSOR, Consecration).

This is not accurate for Nostalrius!

Brock wrote:Stamina is self-explainatory.

I can get more into spirit another time if it's desired.

Summary:

Priority order: Hit - Crit - Mana - Spell power & AP - Stamina - Spirit

Note: crit and mana is something you'll need to calculate as mention above, so when you have enough to be sustained, the other stats will of course be more of importance.

If there is something I missed that you want me to explain, then go ahead and tell me. I just shared some of my basic-knowledge, please come with suggestions to improve this guide.

please take some time and read this small guide I wrote on Paladin Stats.

I would love to discuss many things with you in regards of stats.