Thoerycraft: Tanking with Redoubt, but defense capped?

[JCarrill0]

This:

Redoubt (Rank 5)
Instant
Increases your chance to block attacks with your shield by 30% after being the victim of a critical strike. Lasts 10 sec or 5 blocks.

It becomes a waste of 5 points, but not without merit, this allows you to get 3/3 Shield Spec which increases your shield absorb by 30%.

So my question is how useful is it be for Tankadins who stay 440 Def?

Is it useful to stay just under the Def Cap for the Proc on trash? Could perhaps swop out shields for it to proc on trash.

[smilkovpetko]

This:

Redoubt (Rank 5)
Instant
Increases your chance to block attacks with your shield by 30% after being the victim of a critical strike. Lasts 10 sec or 5 blocks.

It becomes a waste of 5 points, but not without merit, this allows you to get 3/3 Shield Spec which increases your shield absorb by 30%.

So my question is how useful is it be for Tankadins who stay 440 Def? I don't recall this ever possible to proc from Crushing Blows in Vanilla Wow or am I wrong?
Is it useful to stay just under the Def Cap for the Proc on trash? Could perhaps swop out shields for it to proc on trash.

You don't want to be without Shield Absorb , improved Devotion Aura is inefficient and terrible damage reduction compare to Shield Absorb.

My Paladin in Peenix not even BiS was blocking 220 Damage , if we reduce this 220 Damage / 3 = 73 Damage per Block.

Imp Devotion Aura can be gain by either Healer Paladin but still is most terrible choice since it doesn't even reduce the damage taken by 1% .

Read what Vanilla Paladin is telling regarding this :

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=25503

Improved Devotion Aura (5/5): it’s bad, that’s it, don’t get it.

[JCarrill0]

improved Devotion Aura is inefficient and terrible damage reduction compare to Shield Absorb.

Imp Devotion Aura can be gain by either Healer Paladin but still is most terrible choice since it doesn't even reduce the damage taken by 1% .

Read what Vanilla Paladin is telling regarding this :

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=25503

Improved Devotion Aura (5/5): it’s bad, that’s it, don’t get it.

Where is this discussion about improved Devo?

read the topic, stick to the discussion. leave out the assumptions.

[smilkovpetko]

improved Devotion Aura is inefficient and terrible damage reduction compare to Shield Absorb.

Imp Devotion Aura can be gain by either Healer Paladin but still is most terrible choice since it doesn't even reduce the damage taken by 1% .

Read what Vanilla Paladin is telling regarding this :

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=25503

Improved Devotion Aura (5/5): it’s bad, that’s it, don’t get it.

Where is this discussion about improved Devo?

read the topic, stick to the discussion. leave out the assumptions.

i stick to the discussion and i never assume.

Now please answer the question :

What else you would choose instead Redoubt?!.

[JCarrill0]

i stick to the discussion and i never assume.
Now please answer the question :
What else you would choose instead Redoubt?!.

re-read the topic. There is a question there, when you read it and understand, you will have your answer.

[smilkovpetko]

Tanking with Redoubt, but defense capped?

In order to go for Protection Tier Talent points you have to choose Redoubt or Improved Devotion Aura.

Tanking without Protection Talent tree is not Tanking and aggro inefficient .

Simple as that .

Topic name :

Thoerycraft: Tanking with Redoubt, but defense capped?

Why you get confused when the topic is regarding Tanking .

[JCarrill0]

Tanking with Redoubt, but defense capped?

In order to go for Protection Tier Talent points you have to choose Redoubt or Improved Devotion Aura.

Tanking without Protection Talent tree is not Tanking and aggro inefficient .

Simple as that .

Topic name :

Thoerycraft: Tanking with Redoubt, but defense capped?

Why you get confused when the topic is regarding Tanking .

Duki, you have to read the entire post.
FFS man. let me quote it for ya so you can calm down, lol.

So my question is how useful is it be for Tankadins who stay 440 Def?

Is it useful to stay just under the Def Cap for the Proc on trash? Could perhaps swop out shields for it to proc on trash.

The first question was made in italic for ya to read easier, the second part was the theorcrafting question.

Once again this has NOTHING to do with Imp Devo like you (once again) assumed.

I expected better then this from you Duki. Seems your going back to the Toxic attitude.

It becomes a waste of 5 points, but not without merit, this allows you to get 3/3 Shield Spec which increases your shield absorb by 30%.

This part should of indicated to you that it is needed to keep the Talent. Which also means there is no need to assume this discussion was about Imp Devo.

[smilkovpetko]

So my question is how useful is it be for Tankadins who stay 440 Def?

That was the 1st question and i already Answered :

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=26036#p182321

Once again this has NOTHING, to do with Imp Devo like you once again assumed.

The other alternative to Redoubt is Imp Devo , the reason why i answered in that way is because no other option left for you.

Is it useful to stay just under the Def Cap for the Proc on trash? Could perhaps swop out shields for it to proc on trash.

Now to answer you this : Without Shield that have Defense i don't believe that you will keep Def Cap , once you Shield Swap Def cap will be removed and Redoubt will proc so high from Trash .

It is only recommend and good only for using "Force Reactive Shield" and nothing else which "named" Shield is honestly glitch and should not work with Spell Damage.

[JCarrill0]

So my question is how useful is it be for Tankadins who stay 440 Def?

That was the 1st question and i already Answered :

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=26036#p182321

this wasn't answered. This talks about Shield Spec, not redoubt. so no you didn't answer. I explained that we need shield spec in my first post.

Is it useful to stay just under the Def Cap for the Proc on trash? Could perhaps swop out shields for it to proc on trash.

Now to answer you this : Without Shield that have Defence i don't believe that you will keep Def Cap , once you Shield Swap Def cap will be removed and Redoubt will proc so high from Trash .

It is only recommend and good only for using "Force Reactive Shield" and nothing else which is honestly glitch and should not work with Spell Damage.

Thank you, finally you read the first post correctly, thank you for your reply.

[TheFishyOne]

Calm down! Were are all Brothers under the Light, here.

Duki, what JC wants to know is whether it would be worth it to intentionally eat crits @ 440 Def in order to proc Redoubt, since it only procs on crits and is a big ass chunk of our Block Chance.

JC, I don't think 440 Def is even possible until late AQ40 (possibly early Naxx), but if eating a crit every 10sec to proc Redoubt is beneficial, why not just /sit?