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So I'm working on a ret paladin dps spreadsheet, but, from what I've been able to gather, various abilities (SoC, SotC, cons) are currently bugged. Could someone explain exactly how those abilities currently work?

Also, if someone knows how to correctly model Hand of Justice that'd be great as well.

apocalypsa wrote:So I'm working on a ret paladin dps spreadsheet, but, from what I've been able to gather, various abilities (SoC, SotC, cons) are currently bugged. Could someone explain exactly how those abilities currently work?

Also, if someone knows how to correctly model Hand of Justice that'd be great as well.

cons is "debuff" replaced and removed by "maximum" slots (which should never be) , also it scale with ap (there is no real evidence for that) .

SoC does not have delay (so it does not benefit from vengeance by white swing crit) , does not benefit from sanctity aura , seal is 1.12 patch and server client is 1.6 (different stats and different benefit), SoC judgement don't benefit from sanctity aura and spell damage , SoC damage get reduced by "holy resistance" that should never exist in game , SoC (from what i heard and seen in tracker) does not benefit from Benediction.

SotC currently is too overpowered , does not reduce dmg per hit . (still this is weakest seal in pve) .

That's all from what i know.

Thanks for the information, but numbers man, numbers!

It seems I mostly need the exact Consecration AP scaling and the SoC JotC scaling.

Tomorrow I'll run bugged SotC through my current spreadsheet (which only models white swings, vengeance, and SoC atm) and see if it produces interesting results.

apocalypsa wrote:Thanks for the information, but numbers man, numbers!

It seems I mostly need the exact Consecration AP scaling and the SoC JotC scaling.

Tomorrow I'll run bugged SotC through my current spreadsheet (which only models white swings, vengeance, and SoC atm) and see if it produces interesting results.

How did this turn out?

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=26576

maybe he want to see this in order to understand how far we are broken .

JCarrill0 wrote:How did this turn out?

I typed up a whole lot and then my browser crashed. TL;DR: SotC does slightly more damage, even in blue pvp (spell damage) gear.

I'm currently working on implementing most common items you'd want to use as ret, as well as buffs/consumables etc. I expect that I'll be able to release a first draft of the spreadsheet next week, which will allow everyone to check for themselves.

apocalypsa wrote:

JCarrill0 wrote:How did this turn out?

I typed up a whole lot and then my browser crashed. TL;DR: SotC does slightly more damage, even in blue pvp (spell damage) gear.

I'm currently working on implementing most common items you'd want to use as ret, as well as buffs/consumables etc. I expect that I'll be able to release a first draft of the spreadsheet next week, which will allow everyone to check for themselves.

Did you check sanctity aura with judgement of command,seal of command ?! .
Did you check judgement of command with spell damage?
Did you check seal of command with delay damage?
Did you check spell damage with consecration scale?
Did you check crit stones with seal of command?
Did you check Vengeance procs from Spells,Abilities e.c items that proc?
Did you check difference between seal of command 1.9 patch and 1.12 patch?

I guess not.

I'm going to assume that the rude nature of your comment wasn't on purpose, as nobody would blame someone for ignorance in a thread they made specifically asking for help on the subject, right?

I'm taking all of those bugs into account, except crit stones and JoC, as I'm not modelling buffs yet and, afaik, JoC is a waste of mana. I will be modelling mana at some point; that's also the point I will model JoC and HoW. Doubt that they're worth using though.

As for SoC; I'm using the current ingame version of 70% weapon damage as holy, can be blocked/dodged/parried, no delay.

Fixed JoC will scale lot using Spell Damage,it get increased by JoTc , it leaves additional chances for procs "vengeance,hoj,maelstrom,lbrs trink,legendary mace",it's damage get increased by sanctity aura , it can crit too.

in fact JoC is so efficient and good DPS , only by those who understand how it work.

Consecration does not make even close damage to JoC and cost lot more mana + doesn't cause procs neither crits . But still people use it on 1 target.

Consecration apparently work with AP which should not too .

p.s my comment is not rude , i just give direct and clear answers .

Your question by "requesting numbers" was rude when it can;t be proper answered.

Thanks for the information, but numbers man, numbers!

smilkovpetko wrote:Did you check difference between seal of command 1.9 patch and 1.12 patch?

All spells, abilities and talents on Nostalrius should be 1.12. If you have evidence of otherwise, feel free to post.