Nostalrius Begins - Quality wow vanilla realm (1.12)

With AQ just around the corner, it's time to dust off your flowers (Therazane's Touch) and to start smacking bosses with some random blue sword out of ZG that seems like shit but is actually BiS forever for Retribution Paladins. Yes, SP Ret is stronger single target dps than traditional 2H Seal of Command Retribution in AQ, and even more so in Naxxramas when we are able to use two high SP scaling abilities; Exorcism and Holy Wrath.

DPS from SP Ret is much more consistent than 2H Ret, in addition to being stronger DPS. The rotation is almost exactly like 2H Ret, but instead of using Seal of Command, we use Seal of Righteousness.

Keep in mind that in order to DPS Molten Core and Blackwing Lair, you will need to use Ironfoe and some glove alternative (I recommend the R7 PvP gloves) since bosses have high Fire resistance or even Fire immunities in these raids. Alternatively, you can just heal in MC and BWL.



ZG BiS

Weapon: Fiery Retributer - Edge of Madness, ZG
Offhand: Therazane's Touch - AV Exalted
Helm: Lionheart Helm - Crafted
Neck: Choker of the Fire Lord - Ragnaros, MC
Shoulder: Lieutenant Commander's Lamellar Pauldrons -Rank 10, PvP
Cloak: Cloak of the Broodlord - Nefarian, BWL
Chest: Knight-Captain's Lamellar Breastplate - Rank 8, PvP
Bracer: Bracers of Arcane Accuracy - Broodlord, BWL
Gloves: Fiery Plate Gauntlets - Crafted
Belt: Onslaught Girdle - Ragnaros, MC
Legs: Flarecore Leggings - Crafted
Boots: Chromatic Boots - Chromaggus, BWL
Ring1: Ring of Spell Power - Shared, MC
Ring2: Ring of Spell Power - Shared, MC
Trinket1: Hand of Justice - Emperor, BRD
Trinket2: Neltharion's Tear - Nefarian, BWL

Pre-C'Thun BiS

Weapon: Fiery Retributer - Edge of Madness, ZG
Offhand: Therazane's Touch - AV Exalted
Helm: Avenger's Crown - Twin Emperors, AQ
Neck: Prestor's Talisman of Connivery - Nefarian, BWL
Shoulder: Lieutenant Commander's Lamellar Pauldrons -Rank 10, PvP
Cloak: Cloak of Concentrated Hatred - Skeram, AQ
Chest: Knight-Captain's Lamellar Breastplate - Rank 8, PvP
Bracer: Qiraji Execution Bracers - Twin Emperors, AQ
Gloves: Fiery Plate Gauntlets - Crafted
Belt: Onslaught Girdle - Ragnaros, MC
Legs: Avenger's Legguards - Ouro, AQ
Boots: Avenger's Greaves - Viscidus / Huhuran, AQ
Ring1: Ring of Swarming Thought* - Skeram, AQ
Ring2: Wrath of Cenarius - CC Exalted
Trinket1: Hand of Justice - Emperor, BRD
Trinket2: Neltharion's Tear - Nefarian, BWL

AQ BiS

Weapon: Fiery Retributer - Edge of Madness, ZG
Offhand: Therazane's Touch - AV Exalted
Helm: Avenger's Crown - Twin Emperors, AQ
Neck: Prestor's Talisman of Connivery - Nefarian, BWL
Shoulder: Avenger's Pauldrons - Viscidus / Huhuran
Cloak: Cloak of Concentrated Hatred - Skeram, AQ
Chest: Avenger's Breastplate - C'Thun, AQ
Bracer: Qiraji Execution Bracers - Twin Emperors, AQ
Gloves: Fiery Plate Gauntlets - Crafted
Belt: Onslaught Girdle - Ragnaros, MC
Legs: Avenger's Legguards - Ouro, AQ
Boots: Avenger's Greaves - Viscidus / Huhuran, AQ
Ring1: Ring of Swarming Thought* - Skeram, AQ
Ring2: Wrath of Cenarius - CC Exalted
Trinket1: Hand of Justice - Emperor, BRD
Trinket2: Neltharion's Tear - Nefarian, BWL


* = Since bosses have 15 Holy resistance, we use Ring of Swarming Thought to make sure our Seal of Righteousness and Judgement of Righteousness spells never get resisted.










Fiery Retributer Proc: 12% SP + 2 Base (can crit, melee crit, 1.5x damage)
Fiery Plate Gauntlets: 12% SP + 4 Base (can crit, melee crit, 1.5x damage)
Retributer SoR: 12% SP + 24% HSP + 43 Base (cannot crit)
JoR: 63.25% SP + 63.25% HSP + 215 Base (can crit, spell crit, 1.5x damage)
Consecrate: 33% SP + 33% AP + 33% HSP + 64 Base (cannot crit)
White Swing Damage: AP * 1.8 / 14 + 80.5 Base (can crit, melee crit, 2x damage)

SoR Enchanted Weapon Speed: 1.75


SoR DPS: 108.88 Base + 32.61% SP + 25.7% HSP + 11.48% AP (41.38 R6 JotC Bonus, 32.38 R5 JotC Bonus)
1% Melee Crit = .9714 Base + .36% SP + .1469% AP (+ subjective value to account for Vengeance, 1) = ~4.6197 DPS




SoR Stat Weights (Base SP):

AP = 0.352
Str = 0.852
HSP = 0.788
SP = 1
1% Melee Crit = 14.17
Agi = 0.820

1 Point = 0.3261 DPS


Enchants:

Weapon: 30 SP
Helm: 1% Attack Speed
Shoulder: 18 SP
Chest: 4 Stats
Bracer: 9 STR
Gloves: 1% Attack Speed
Legs: 1% Attack Speed
Boots: 7 Agility






Head

Avenger's Crown: 64.05
Lionheart Helm: 43.68
R10 PvP: 41.34

Neck

Eye of Hakkar: 28.25
Prestor's Talisman of Connivery: 28.24
Choker of the Fire Lord: 34
Onyxia Tooth Pendant: 24.01
Orb of the Darkmoon: 22

Shoulder

Avenger's Pauldrons: 40.82
Blackwing Cabal: 34
R10 PvP: 31.93

Cloak

Cloak of Concentrated Hatred: 22.49
Earthweave Cloak: 12.3
Cloak of the Devoured: 30
Cloak of the Broodlord: 28

Chest

Robes of the Battleguard: 36
Avenger's Breastplate: 61.61
R10 PvP: 39.48
Malfurion's: 34.08

Bracers

Wristguards of True Flight: 15.58
Qiraji Execution Bracers: 25.9
Arcane Accuracy: 21
Rockfury Bracers: 27
Burrower Bracers: 28
Shackles of the Unscarred: 21

Belt

Eyestalk Waist Cord: 41
Primalist's Linked Waistguard: 33.63
Onslaught Girdle: 40.58
Firemaw's Clutch: 35

Legs

Avenger's Legguards: 57.9
Flarecore Leggings: 43
R10 PvP: 40.34

Boots

Avenger's Greaves: 40
R10 PvP: 25.22
Chromatic Boots: 33.44
Boots of the Betrayer: 30

Rings

Band of Accuria: 13.12
Ring of Swarming Thought: 26
Signet of the Bronze Dragonflight (SP): 28
Wrath of Cenarius: OP AS FUCK, MAN (~132)
Ring of Eternal Justice: 23.22
Ring of Spell Power: 33
Quick Strike Ring: 28.99
Circle of Applied Force: 28.26
Master Dragonslayer's Ring: 16.9
Don Julio's Band: 19.8

Trinkets

HoJ: FUCKING USE IT
Jom Gabbar: 19.07
Scrolls of Blinding Light: PRETTY FUCKIN GOOD, BRO
Earthstrike: 16.43
Neltharion's Tear: 44
Darkmoon Card: Maelstrom: Meh
Drake Fang Talisman: 19.71
Zandalarian Hero Charm: 31
Briarwood Reed: 29
Blackhand's Breadth: 28.34

Set Bonuses

T2.5 5-Set: 71
R10 PvP 2-Set: 23



Hit (need 4%):

Cloak of Concentrated Hatred (1%): 7.51 pts per hit
Qiraji Execution Bracers (1%): 2.1 pts per hit
Earthweave Cloak (1%): 17.7 pts per hit
Lionheart Helm (2%): 45.69 pts per hit (10.19 Pre-C'Thun)
DFT (2%): 12.15 pts per hit
Onslaught (1%): 0.42 pts per hit
Onyxia Tooth (1%): 9.99 pts per hit
Prestor's Talisman (1%): 5.76 pts per hit
Wristguards of True Flight (1%): 11.42 pts per hit

Im going to kill myself if i ever see a paladin with DFT.

This is pretty interesting stuff.
Is there any at all that have tried this build/gear spec and can provide some results?

http://leftoversraiding.org/index.php/t ... or%29.html

Sunday August 27, 2006 at 19:14

here is the list of the weapons which scale per dps (it is tested with 140 spell power).
Fiery Retributor is number 55 far from every other weapon.

# +stats (crit%, agi, str, attack, spellpower) on the weapons are included. (procs are not)
# * means the weapon has an uncalculated proc or effet that can potentially increase weapon total dps

I'm going to assume, that's why?

however you will most likely never get a good chunk of that gear unless you prove it can compete with the dps of other classes

Dreez wrote:

# +stats (crit%, agi, str, attack, spellpower) on the weapons are included. (procs are not)
# * means the weapon has an uncalculated proc or effet that can potentially increase weapon total dps

I'm going to assume, that's why?

however you will most likely never get a good chunk of that gear unless you prove it can compete with the dps of other classes

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2836

There might be some items that did scale, and some other that did not scale, it's case by case most of the time.

However, regarding this ticket, the 2006 Video definitely shows it shouldn't scale.

The "Pure Evidence by Blizzard Customer" is basically bullshit, the GM admits he doesn't know anything, says everything he says is to be used with caution, and just mentions that he kinda remembers that some items (which?) were scaling. This is the only part of the GM response on which people claiming the Gauntlets should scale are relying on, while this part is basically where the dude working at Blizzard doesn't answer as a GM, but as a human, a player and uses his memory, which isn't a proof at all.

People claiming that the 2006 video isn't from retail or might have been modified or whatever have about 0,001% to be right (I mean, private servers weren't a thing in 2006, and what exactly would have been the POINT?), while the GM response they're relying on is about just as likely to be right (the irony!).


Regarding the comments on wowhead or the Feenix github, no formal proof either. Lots of comments from TBC, speculation about other items etc. Nothing that beats the video from the OP.

The Storm Gauntlets, to the very least, should NOT scale with Spell Damage.

Status changed from New to Confirmed


http://forums.elitistjerks.com/forums/t ... -database/
Posted 29 Sep 2006

Fiery Retributer is not mention at all

what does that have to do with your linked list not including weapon proccs?

Dreez wrote:what does that have to do with your linked list not including weapon proccs?

he talks about spell damage gear with fiery retributer .. and putting fiery retributer on top dps weap which is not.

Dreez wrote:

Dreez wrote:

# +stats (crit%, agi, str, attack, spellpower) on the weapons are included. (procs are not)
# * means the weapon has an uncalculated proc or effet that can potentially increase weapon total dps

still not an evidence that procs should be increase by sp
as 2dmg is nothing but a junk.

http://web.archive.org/web/200701141117 ... item=19968

Aug 11th 2006

Only FIre damage should increase the damage of the weapon , not the "spell damage"

e.g fire damage elixir etc.