Testing Server Access for all raiding guilds

[Plask]

"I think it wouldnt hurt to allow every raidguild to test the raidcontent."

Open access is not the same as similarly perceived guilds. If that is the intent of the thread, perhaps you should ask what criteria need to be met for access as clearly the devs do not intend open access.

this: "Giving every guild the opportunity to rise to a similiar place," does not equal this: "Testing Server Access for all raiding guilds."

And 1+1 doesn't equal 3.

Like, did you even read what has been said? And don't edit the context when you quote someone.

[Homer]

I believe he is either a non-native English speaker or a troll just fyi.

[Diametra]

Not sure why you guys aren't understanding what to me are some clear points.

1. OP states testing should be open to all raiding guilds in title and in quote. Later, Op following my points says he is not asking for open access, but instead the oppotunity for any raiding guild to get access...which is not the same thing.

2. The need to "race" to consume content is a value judgement. Not all people enjoy this undertaking or even see it as relevant.

3. It is clear the admins do not intend open access. Therefore, one must use whatever current means necessary to secure access if they so desire, i.e.: raise your guild to equal standing <or> apply for membership to current testing guilds.

Hope this clears things up for you.

[Diametra]

Also, when accusing someone of being a troll, it might be a good idea to look at post history. There is clearly no precedent for that on my behalf while you homer...one angry post after another attemping to get a rise out of someone. dear lord.

[Vices]

I agree, the testers are doing a great job. Yet, we see alot of bugs in raids and DM. So either bugs are not getting reported or they aren't getting fixed. While this is completely understandable, I think this makes it impossible to avoid the "comptetition" as the guilds experiencing it firsthand do get a clear advantage for the upcoming content releases. I'm not gonna go as far as saying they refuse to report some bugs (which is impossible for me to know), but they will atleast know the content and it's state when it releases. I don't want another server where the "chosen" testers have the edge, that's all. Besides letting every interested raidguild to try it will give better diversity among the testers, which is a good thing to iron out weird bugs.

Instead of making claims about the conduct of the current guilds on the PTR that have no factual merit one might focus on what benefits one's guild would bring if it were on the PTR. Once that is done, PM this information to Viper as he asked for here: http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13439&start=30#p85887

[Homer]

Not sure why you guys aren't understanding what to me are some clear points.

1. OP states testing should be open to all raiding guilds in title and in quote. Later, Op following my points says he is not asking for open access, but instead the oppotunity for any raiding guild to get access...which is not the same thing.

2. The need to "race" to consume content is a value judgement. Not all people enjoy this undertaking or even see it as relevant.

3. It is clear the admins do not intend open access. Therefore, one must use whatever current means necessary to secure access if they so desire, i.e.: raise your guild to equal standing <or> apply for membership to current testing guilds.

Hope this clears things up for you.

He would obviously have to clarify but I would assume its a slip of the tongue, but I would be fine with only raiding guilds testing raid content because any guild can declare themselves a raiding guild and test the content if they so choose.

I agree, but I also don't see the relevance of your point? People want to race, its a big part of this game so people should be given every fair chance to do so, even if they are not racing. What about the fact a group with prior knowledge will get gear faster therefore be able to kill things faster letting them farm more and do things with the economy that others can't and get an edge in PvP.

I already addressed this point and explained how it does not relate to this topic, so I am not sure why you're repeating it with no follow up and just ignoring how I explained it already. (Things like this make us think possible troll) Although it seems you may have just been clarifying but not sure why? As that point was answered.

Also, when accusing someone of being a troll, it might be a good idea to look at post history. There is clearly no precedent for that on my behalf while you homer...one angry post after another attemping to get a rise out of someone. dear lord.

There is no denying I can be a cunt, but I do always post well constructed accurate information I believe in, usually followed with frustration no attempt at getting a "rise" out of anyone in fact if you look through my posts you will see once I locate someone just trying to cause shit and I refute there lets call it "argument" beyond a shadow of a doubt I stop responding to them and just quote what makes them look like a foolish hypocrite

[Homer]

I agree, the testers are doing a great job. Yet, we see alot of bugs in raids and DM. So either bugs are not getting reported or they aren't getting fixed. While this is completely understandable, I think this makes it impossible to avoid the "comptetition" as the guilds experiencing it firsthand do get a clear advantage for the upcoming content releases. I'm not gonna go as far as saying they refuse to report some bugs (which is impossible for me to know), but they will atleast know the content and it's state when it releases. I don't want another server where the "chosen" testers have the edge, that's all. Besides letting every interested raidguild to try it will give better diversity among the testers, which is a good thing to iron out weird bugs.

Instead of making claims about the conduct of the current guilds on the PTR that have no factual merit one might focus on what benefits one's guild would bring if it were on the PTR. Once that is done, PM this information to Viper as he asked for here: http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13439&start=30#p85887

That's our whole point -_- read the thread, its not about merit. He did not make a claim he made that very clear -_-

[Plask]

I agree, the testers are doing a great job. Yet, we see alot of bugs in raids and DM. So either bugs are not getting reported or they aren't getting fixed. While this is completely understandable, I think this makes it impossible to avoid the "comptetition" as the guilds experiencing it firsthand do get a clear advantage for the upcoming content releases. I'm not gonna go as far as saying they refuse to report some bugs (which is impossible for me to know), but they will atleast know the content and it's state when it releases. I don't want another server where the "chosen" testers have the edge, that's all. Besides letting every interested raidguild to try it will give better diversity among the testers, which is a good thing to iron out weird bugs.

Instead of making claims about the conduct of the current guilds on the PTR that have no factual merit one might focus on what benefits one's guild would bring if it were on the PTR. Once that is done, PM this information to Viper as he asked for here: http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13439&start=30#p85887

The testrealm is closed and only available to chosen raidguilds. As I mentioned earlier I have no idea what's going on at the testrealm so I can't really answer that. Nor do I see where I claimed anything, I clearly say It's impossible for me to know (which you would've know if you read the whole sentence).

And of course, my guild is eager to test the content and has applied for testing but it's not possible atm to become a tester.

When you have read the topic, however, I would love to hear your opinion regarding the current availability of the testserver.