Testing Server Access for all raiding guilds

[Diametra]

The disadvantage lies in creating for oneself a world in which what one has is compared to the perception of ownership of another. The desire to reside in that place and consume content couched in the spirit of competition, is owned entirely by the individuals that make it their home.

The solution for individuals trying to catch the supposedly advantaged few would be to apply to their guilds, or in the spirit of competition, raise your guild to a similar place.

[nervous]

You stated reading a strategy guide an hour before a raid would help with following an add-on's instructions but not time in said instance with aforementioned add-on's.

Obvious troll is obvious, but can't you be a little more logical so I can occupy myself? R.I.P Intelligent trolls circa 2008

Really destroyed that straw man there. I'm done with you.

[Plask]

In the initial test, 7 guilds were chosen from different parts of the community to test content. In all previous PTR realms, these guilds have done a great job helping the staff fix any bugs found in the tests. We want to provide great scripts for the entire community on the live realm, not create competition on the test realm, they are not exclusivley for raiding guilds, but for the entire community. The point of the test realm is to get the best content that we are able to, with the seven guilds selected, it is over 300 players testing which provides an adequate test for all content and keep ally players as professional as possible.

Same.

I agree, the testers are doing a great job. Yet, we see alot of bugs in raids and DM. So either bugs are not getting reported or they aren't getting fixed. While this is completely understandable, I think this makes it impossible to avoid the "comptetition" as the guilds experiencing it firsthand do get a clear advantage for the upcoming content releases. I'm not gonna go as far as saying they refuse to report some bugs (which is impossible for me to know), but they will atleast know the content and it's state when it releases. I don't want another server where the "chosen" testers have the edge, that's all. Besides letting every interested raidguild to try it will give better diversity among the testers, which is a good thing to iron out weird bugs.

[Homer]

You stated reading a strategy guide an hour before a raid would help with following an add-on's instructions but not time in said instance with aforementioned add-on's.

Obvious troll is obvious, but can't you be a little more logical so I can occupy myself? R.I.P Intelligent trolls circa 2008

Really destroyed that straw man there. I'm done with you.

No I simply restated exactly what you said. Although of course you are done you were always done you just wanted to cause some trouble, luckily I nullified that.

[Plask]

So, when my guild first went into Molten Core, several weeks after the first guilds cleared it, we wiped in several ways.

• Baron Geddon was moving when hellfiring which made hell of a suprise the first time we did him.. Wipe
• Lucifron was unlike any other server actually doing his curses without regarding LoS. This is intended and blizzlike but never something I've seen on a private server so we didn't really expect it. Not a wipe but several deaths because of it.
• Ragnaros has a threatlist instead of attacking closest target, and he wasn't tauntable so you had to build aggro with more then one tank for the first 1-2 knockback timers before dpsing. Resulted in a wipe because we did not expect it to work that way.

That's just a few examples, and those are the kind of bugs that all the testers will be aware of and be able to avoid. Now, what's even the point of putting down effort to compete on the server firsts, when we are so far behind in knowledge about the contents state that will be released?

The solution for individuals trying to catch the supposedly advantaged few would be to apply to their guilds, or in the spirit of competition, raise your guild to a similar place.

That's exactly what this thread is about. Giving every guild the opportunity to rise to a similiar place.

[Diametra]

"I think it wouldnt hurt to allow every raidguild to test the raidcontent."

Open access is not the same as similarly perceived guilds. If that is the intent of the thread, perhaps you should ask what criteria need to be met for access as clearly the devs do not intend open access.

this: "Giving every guild the opportunity to rise to a similiar place," does not equal this: "Testing Server Access for all raiding guilds."

[TaurenRogue]

we dont really need a lvl 55 cheapshoting the healer as he's entering dm on the ptr... this is the primary reason i believe why not every guild / player is on it atm... from what i read here you'd be one of those

[Homer]

"I think it wouldnt hurt to allow every raidguild to test the raidcontent."

Open access is not the same as similarly perceived guilds. If that is the intent of the thread, perhaps you should ask what criteria need to be met for access as clearly the devs do not intend open access.

this: "Giving every guild the opportunity to rise to a similiar place," does not equal this: "Testing Server Access for all raiding guilds."

You need to explain your points a little better in my opinion, I think I got it but if not not please explain.

A "raidguild" is not the same as a "similarly perceived guild" a "raidguild" could be utterly terrible and never down one boss, that does not make them any less of a guild or any less entitled to test the content. They need to be given the same opportunity as everyone else.

I would love to see a logical argument as to how giving one party closed practice and denying the other party any form of practice is not a clear advantage in a race. Especially when the conditions of said race are volatile and only known to those who practice.

[Diametra]

I wouldn't know how to respond to you homer. You are asking for an argument based on similar value judgements that I simply don't have or care about.

To me, it would seem the way to obtain what is desired (access), can only be obtained at this time, by reacting to the cards dealt. To gain access, one's guild most be deemed equal to the others already in possession of access <or> to be accepted into one of these guilds individually. Therefore, ask for guidance from the staff on how that might be achieved.

Anyone can certainly ask for that which does not exist; in this case-open access, but I'd think it rather unlikely regardless of the logic of an argument one way or the other.

[Homer]

I wouldn't know how to respond to you homer. You are asking for an argument based on similar value judgements that I simply don't have or care about.

To me, it would seem the way to obtain what is desired (access), can only be obtained at this time, by reacting to the cards dealt. To gain access, one's guild most be deemed equal to the others already in possession of access <or> to be accepted into one of these guilds individually. Therefore, ask for guidance from the staff on how that might be achieved.

Anyone can certainly ask for that which does not exist; in this case-open access, but I'd think it rather unlikely regardless of the logic of an argument one way or the other.

Well I am asking for a logical rebuttal not an argument, but yes you are correct you don't seem to care about the issue at hand which begs the question why are you posting here?

This thread has nothing to do with how to obtain access not sure why you posted that paragraph.

Sadly you are one hundred percent correct there but to engage in hyperbole "All it takes for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Farmers are going to get raped for at least the next two generations, does it stop lawyers speaking for them pro bono trying to change laws? It does not. Got to fight for what you believe in.