RangedAOE through Gates: Strath UD Magistrate Barthilas Farm

[Gazpy]

that's how it works on retail??? I don't get what do you mean and what is your reasoning about defending AoE's not working as they should.

[Holmes]

that's how it works on retail??? I don't get what do you mean and what is your reasoning about defending AoE's not working as they should.

well so it actually is working as intended? you are meant to use ranged aoe through these gates and NPCs are meant to walk through them aswell?
cant believe this but if so, my question would be answered.

[Aunstic]

that's how it works on retail??? I don't get what do you mean and what is your reasoning about defending AoE's not working as they should.

First, I'm not defending AoEs at all. I know it would be beneficial to have NPCs evade the caster's spells if the NPC does not have LoS on you. Adding a LoS to AoEs is more trivial to add than disallowing NPCs to not aggro when it doesn't have a proper LoS on the caster.

What I am saying: it's near impossible to add a LoS on an AoE because you have no target. Imagine if they did this for a second. Improved Blizzard could be dodged simply by hiding behind objects and terrain. If they add this, it would be insane because players could openly abuse this new mechanic.

that's how it works on retail??? I don't get what do you mean and what is your reasoning about defending AoE's not working as they should.

Not sure if you quoted the right person, but I stated a good reply to Holmes.

[Gazpy]

nono! you don't get me, If you can See as a caster MIDDLE of the AoE circle the AoE is hitting everything it can hit, the problem right now is that you can land AoE somewhere you have obstructed vision in between like through walls and such.

[Aunstic]

nono! you don't get me, If you can See as a caster MIDDLE of the AoE circle the AoE is hitting everything it can hit, the problem right now is that you can land AoE somewhere you have obstructed vision in between like through walls and such.

I don't think I explained myself very well. I'll try to render it down to examples on this approach.

AoE spells are currently obstructed by terrain, but not from camera view. This is what you're saying.
There is no way that I know of that you can 'fix' AoE spells because it would be open for abuse if you cast AoE spells around the trees in Warsong Gulch. The only way to do this is have players/NPCs evade the Blizzard if the caster does not have a proper LoS to the area that the AoE is being channeled on. This mechanic can be abused because the improved Blizzard debuff can be evaded just by hiding behind the trees.

AoE spells rely on range rather than targets here. That's how it should work. You can't cast a frostbolt or fireball to someone through a wall because you have a target that needs to be in your LoS in order to cast it. AoEs can't work like that because it only relies on range rather than targets. The only way to implement your idea is to break AoEs which shows players/NPCs being able to evade your cast if there is no LoS simply because there is no target.

To break it down:
The only way to implement your idea is to have players/NPCs evade the AoEs when a LoS is not established.
This leaves room for abuse because AoEs can be avoided by simply hiding behind terrain/objects. This eliminates the entire point of casting the spell.

[Lorilay]

that's how it works on retail??? I don't get what do you mean and what is your reasoning about defending AoE's not working as they should.

First, I'm not defending AoEs at all. I know it would be beneficial to have NPCs evade the caster's spells if the NPC does not have LoS on you. Adding a LoS to AoEs is more trivial to add than disallowing NPCs to not aggro when it doesn't have a proper LoS on the caster.

What I am saying: it's near impossible to add a LoS on an AoE because you have no target. Imagine if they did this for a second. Improved Blizzard could be dodged simply by hiding behind objects and terrain. If they add this, it would be insane because players could openly abuse this new mechanic.

that's how it works on retail??? I don't get what do you mean and what is your reasoning about defending AoE's not working as they should.

Not sure if you quoted the right person, but I stated a good reply to Holmes.

Blizzard had LoS requirements on AoE, as does every other private server I've played on, so it's clearly not an insurmountable obstacle.

[Holmes]

not gonna read all this.....

im pretty sure you required LoS to the spot you place it at (mouse/center) to start casting the ranged aoe spell. but i just figured out that you can even cast it behind solid walls and sht as if they were not there on nost.
so i thought its just the gates and possibly other doors that are bugged and allow you to cast ranged aoe spells through it, but as it seems its a global bug.

still no answer if the stated strategies are being punished then or not. or any other statement from a GM.

[Holmes]

bump

[Aunstic]

Blizzard had LoS requirements on AoE, as does every other private server I've played on, so it's clearly not an insurmountable obstacle.

What Blizzard has done after 1.12.1 won't be added here. You'll need a citation on when the mechanic was fixed in order to bring any light to this.

Other private servers can also be post-1.12.1 so saying this nulls your point as well.

not gonna read all this.....

im pretty sure you required LoS to the spot you place it at (mouse/center) to start casting the ranged aoe spell. but i just figured out that you can even cast it behind solid walls and sht as if they were not there on nost.

Being pretty sure and having some proof of the change are two different things. It's like me saying I remember all neutral guards had 30 second stuns and had polymorph.

As for LoS...
https://youtu.be/4sj21TAmQ-M?t=1m39s
Blizzard being effective from behind a player.

Hiding behind a rock even in TBC:
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=10/blizzar ... :id=189962
AND WotLK: http://www.wowhead.com/spell=10/blizzar ... :id=733580

Got anything better than comments that aren't in an expansion?

[Gazpy]

Blizzard can be used from any direction as it's directionless AoE neither you have to face for flamestrike, LoS =! facing requirements. and those comments doesn't say you can cast them through walls, if you wanna send proofs send some that are bulletproof, I'm gonna try to find some aswell.