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It's time to admit it: Hordes rules the end game.I'm talking about the PvP ofc. Both open world and BGs.

I'm not talking about the hordes premades.We're used to lose to them 0-5. Things became so bad that even on pug vs pug, Alliance pug's main goal is to hold 2 bases untill the game ends. Hordes pugs are winning 80-90% of the ABs.Sometime with 3-2 and it's not too rare to see 4-1.

We can blame it on the hordes racials, we can blame it on the hordes having more 60's/high ranks, but we all know the bitter truth:

Most of the Alliance players are just suck at PvP, or in other words - They'r just stupid. Here is a well known example of ally typical game styles:

Game starts, ally picks ST + GM and hordes farm+LM. Now, if ally are lucky enough to get BS, they'll usually just zerg around it's bridge (the one near LM) after 2-4 hordes, while the rest of the hordes will ninja the ST/GM.So now the ally only have 2 flags, will they fight to get the 3rd one back? HELL NO! It's AFK party time at ST.

Now, if it's the other way around and the hordes are missing 1 flag, usually, they'll fight to the bitter end, and in most of the times will get 3 flags and win.

Call it a whinning thread or w/e - I don't care. I'm not going to reroll, i'm not going to stop PvPing, and i'm not going to mention players names.it's not about shaming a specefic player.
I just wanna open some ppl eyes, beacuse it's seems that some of us (ally) are still supprised by the fact that we are losing most of the BGs.

P.S
No, forming a premade wouldn't help. Beside tha fact that less and less ppl would even bother to form one, we all know that in most of the cases it won't help.

gg.

This guy is new here clearly ))


ps. if it helps you, those guys who win you 5-0 receive their dose of 0-5 every time they face us ( when they dont dodge). so i see 3 solutions:


1. GO horde and keep feeding our insta qeues( thx).
2.Man up and join a good premade / make your own.
3.Read horde QQ threads where they cant win a game and sleep well tonight.

We can blame it on the hordes racials, we can blame it on the hordes having more 60's/high ranks, but we all know the bitter truth:

Most of the Alliance players are just suck at PvP, or in other words - They'r just stupid.

In other words, the Horde have the concrete advantage of racials and more, better-geared level 60's, but let's just ignore all that because we all know it's really because ally r sux kek.

Game starts, ally picks ST + GM and hordes farm+LM. Now, if ally are lucky enough to get BS, they'll usually just zerg around it's bridge (the one near LM) after 2-4 hordes, while the rest of the hordes will ninja the ST/GM.So now the ally only have 2 flags, will they fight to get the 3rd one back? HELL NO! It's AFK party time at ST.

In my experience, games where players talk to each other and form a cohesive strategy are the ones where you win. And I've never seen a mass AFK party in AB except during a premade-vs-pug 5cap, which is then understandable sine nobody wants to get farmed for honor.

Now, if it's the other way around and the hordes are missing 1 flag, usually, they'll fight to the bitter end, and in most of the times will get 3 flags and win.

So if it's the other way around, it's actually not and the horde still win anyway? Anecdotal evidence sure is convincing.

Call it a whinning thread or w/e

I would never. This is a whining thread.

No, forming a premade wouldn't help. Beside tha fact that less and less ppl would even bother to form one, we all know that in most of the cases it won't help.
gg.

This is categorically false, and nothing but negative. Of course premades help, you're just so fed up with the last few BG's that you lost that you're unwilling to admit that your little tantrum could have been avoided by starting a premade.

vathdaar wrote:This guy is new here clearly ))


ps. if it helps you, those guys who win you 5-0 receive their dose of 0-5 every time they face us ( when they dont dodge). so i see 3 solutions:


1. GO horde and keep feeding our insta qeues( thx).
2.Man up and join a good premade / make your own.
3.Read horde QQ threads where they cant win a game and sleep well tonight.

I guess that by "us" you mean NOPE's premade group. Yeah, it's easy to tell other ppl to "man up" while you're full with high ranks around you.

How about you guys MAN UP and split your high ranks like the hordes does? I'v seen a lot of their high ranks playing among pugs (usually 2-3), but rearly saw any rank 10/11+ playing with Alliance pugs.

So don't come here and tell me to man up and form groups with the very same ppl that lost the last 7 ABs while you can't move without your own high ranks premade m8.

In other words, the Horde have the concrete advantage of racials and more, better-geared level 60's, but let's just ignore all that because we all know it's really because ally r sux kek.

In my experience, games where players talk to each other and form a cohesive strategy are the ones where you win. And I've never seen a mass AFK party in AB except during a premade-vs-pug 5cap, which is then understandable sine nobody wants to get farmed for honor.

So if it's the other way around, it's actually not and the horde still win anyway? Anecdotal evidence sure is convincing.

I would never. This is a whining thread.

This is categorically false, and nothing but negative. Of course premades help, you're just so fed up with the last few BG's that you lost that you're unwilling to admit that your little tantrum could have been avoided by starting a premade.[/quote]

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I'm "ignoring" the fact that the hordes has better racials beacuse there is nothing you can do about it.
No, it's not about the gear. It's not like 80% of the hordes are rank 14 with full or even half PvP epic set.You can get the very same items they got. You can get more than a "decent" gear even if you're casual by getting some BiS items from instances, and it's not that hard to get at least 2 items from the blue PvP set for the bonus.

Yeah, ofc comunnication is a BIG part of the BG (talking about AB here). But let's face it, other than "go st+gm+bs" at the start and "INC X hordes to Y" after you cap the flags, there's nothing much to say. So it's very basic, TS is not even a must (in AB). The problem starts where ppl won't listen, and guess what - it happens. a lot.

And yes, it's a typical "strategy" to see Alliance camping GM/ST as soon as they'r missing a flag (2-3). You'll see *some* ppl who still try to attack, but it's a lost case since most of the team will just camp/go AFK.
And like I said - even if we're lucky enough to get BS at the start of the fight, ppl will just zerg around the bridge insted of going Xroads. That's, my friend, is pure stupidity and it's not rare.Nothing to Kek about sadly.

I said that premades won't help in most of the cases and I fully stand behind this statement, as I did played with a lot of "premades" (most are WSG's) that could bearly handel the hordes pugs (and yeah, we had TS).

Fact is that atm, there are almost no premades outside of NOPE's ones.
Fact is that Ally still losing 80% of the ABs even when they'r playing vs hordes pugs.

So if *you* can't whine about the gear (as it's really easy to get a decent gear from instances and combine it with some of the first PvP set items), and if you can't whine about hordes racials (as there's nothing you can do about it), what els can you blame it on beside lack of people who actually knows how to PvP?

Believe it or not, but we're on the same side here. We both want to improve our side PvP game.
The only difference is that i'm acknowleging the problem while you're trying to ignore it by saying "it's all good, just make a premade". People are ignoring it just like you do, and guess what - we're still losing, with a premade or without.

vathdaar wrote:This guy is new here clearly ))


ps. if it helps you, those guys who win you 5-0 receive their dose of 0-5 every time they face us ( when they dont dodge). so i see 3 solutions:


1. GO horde and keep feeding our insta qeues( thx).
2.Man up and join a good premade / make your own.
3.Read horde QQ threads where they cant win a game and sleep well tonight.

lol @ the ego of this AB premade monkey. I've only ever seen your face like 2x, while I spank your pugs all day. The OP isn't wrong. A pug premade would just mean a 30-1H long loss against the Horde, rather than a 10 minute one.

Outside of 1-2 premade groups, alliance does lose the vast majority of the bgs

varth wrote:Outside of 1-2 premade groups, alliance does lose the vast majority of the bgs

Unfortunately, 90% of horde games are against premades, (4 minute free wins happen 7x more than 30 minute losses), so the horde pug life is just as bad as alliance.

That said, our queue times are so long that, especially on off hours (basically when NOPE isn't running), many good players will do pugs or small groups to get faster queues.

Also 90% of Horde premades are just as terrible as Alliance ones.

Nain wrote:

vathdaar wrote:This guy is new here clearly ))


ps. if it helps you, those guys who win you 5-0 receive their dose of 0-5 every time they face us ( when they dont dodge). so i see 3 solutions:


1. GO horde and keep feeding our insta qeues( thx).
2.Man up and join a good premade / make your own.
3.Read horde QQ threads where they cant win a game and sleep well tonight.

lol @ the ego of this AB premade monkey. I've only ever seen your face like 2x, while I spank your pugs all day. The OP isn't wrong. A pug premade would just mean a 30-1H long loss against the Horde, rather than a 10 minute one.

sorry mate maybe you should stay in westfall and not join BGs since they really make u mad )

Horde pugs also que into an ally premade 90% of the time. Don't cry.