Give us the old PvP system back - (Rip rank 14)

[snoozer]

There is an inherent issue with allowing a full group queue (Premade) and qualify for the same system that a solo queuing player (PUG) (or 2-3) is striving for.

You don't have an even playing field.
A simple change would involve queuing as a member of a raid to disqualify the honor you earn that game from contributing to the ranking process.

Preventing premades from queuing against PUGs is a great way to give PUGs a 'fair' shot at winning and an enjoyable experience, similarly it gives premades an appropriate challenge.

[Letch2010]

Until you realize the plethora of problems that it introduces for premades. Like, win trading. Well done, you've "trivialized" ranking in PvP and opened it to Communism. Fascist.

Oh yeah, and instead of pugs queuing into premades, they now queue into games that are already five capped by other pugs. Good job!

[Lardin]

Those that whine that it's significantly harder to get ranks, do you understand that it's similiarly more "difficult" for everyone? Everyone will have to do equally "more" effort to win, thus what's required to get rank 14 goes lower and it's really same effort compared to others that you will have to do, except now you actually have to fight your enemies.

Excellent change imo. You can still bring 2-3 friends with you and do fast ques

uhm no. it is not equal. a pug with instant Qs who just stands idle on stables will outfarm a premader with 10 minute Qs and 20 minute games. especially if the pug is farmed 0-5 and gets 6 losses (6 marks) while the premader gets 1 win (3 marks).

do you understand now or is it still to complicated for you? shall i draw you a picture?

[Letch2010]

If you haven't gasped it yet:
Not everyone PvPs to farm honor and get high ranks for slightly better items.
Some just do it for fun.

Everyone knows that there will be some putting more effort into ranking up because they want to achieve the ranks as quick as possible. That's understandable and OK, there is nothing to say against premading.

However the current situation where 90% of the games consist of no pvp action is tremendous.

Let's take a look at an example:
- 2 Horde premades are in queue along with 50 pugs
- Alliance premades and pugs get instant queues

The alliance premade, queuing for both WSG and AB at the same time will instantly open up 2 BG instances.
They will only join 1, the other one is going to be unused for now.

But what happens with that?
Horde will immediately enter as they have queue times, alliance pugs queuing after the BG opened will be put into the already opened instance.
Other premades will not be invited to this BG anymore since there already is one pug and not enough open slots and thus open new instances.

This results in tons of 14v3 games.


Now let's add chinese wintraders:
- alliance chinese wintrader group queues AB + WSG when their horde partners are out of queue, both instantly pop up, they leave both queues. The BGs are still opened and single alliance players will fill them up and thus result in the wintraders being able to queue again and open even more BGs.

Repeat until the horde group gets instant queues and then keep the balance.


What is the total outcome:
hundreds of empty BGs, absolutely no PvP action, premades literally afking 99% of the time and pugs fighting with 3 others against full premades.

Premade PoV: Everything's fine, they get their honor even faster (as seen this week)
Pug PoV: absolutely no PvP action

Kinda funny how the premaders still tell everyone to form their own premade if they don't like the current pug situation, are you retarded? The system won't work without the single people blocking premade vs. empty BGs --> less honor for you
+ judging from my own experience with premades especially on this server, it is absolutely boring (aside from almost everyone being either high or drunk)

not to forget the shady business of agreements with chinese wintraders, not reporting them unless they break your brackets

TL; DR: queue system is fucked and massively abused