Raise Trade chat level to 10-15.

[Dish]

but I do... because what you guys are suggesting parallels whats happening in real life and its scary as hell soon I'm not going to be able to take a shit without a toilet license. Everybody is so damn afraid of everything they cant wait for the government (or server staff in this case) to put in legislation (or restrictions in this case) and enforce shit that shouldn't be enforced just to stop the few bad apples.

itt : the obligatory "this is why we cant have nice things"

dafuq did i just read

[trorsmang]

I know reading is hard sorry mate

[Steelbash]

i think its a minor change which is nice for everybody you are taking stuff out of proportion in this case... We all hate changes made to wow thats why we are in this server but here we just want to prevent spams

[mozibake]

Why can no one respond to this? Consider the following scenario:

I am a Chinese gold farmer. I want to advertise my services in trade chat, but trade chat is now restricted to those who are level 15 or higher. So I turn on my Chinabot, set it to level my character to 15 instead of 5, and then run to org/IF. In the 5 or 6 extra hours it takes my bot to level from 5 to 15, I turn my attention to other things, like assembling sneakers and iPhones. Very little productivity is lost on my part. The only people who do lose out are people with bank alts, and legitimate first-time levellers.

[Sephirothpvp]

Joke's on you, I'm a massive flaming homo so that's a stupid suggestion too.

PS, you didn't actually refute anything I said. How will this proposed change do anything but inconvenience regular players, while chinabotters just chinabot their way to the new trade chat level minimum and then continue business as usual?

It's funny because the one who started using Ad Hominem arguments was you. Besides, you're getting pretty frustrated about the whole proposal, and seem to have a lot of knowledge on the matter. I think you are a chinese worker undercover.

Get out of my post zipperhead.

[mozibake]

Ad Hominem is not always a fallacy, and plain old insults are not ad hominem. Ad hominem is a specific argumentation tactic that seeks to discredit an argument by attacking the perceived characteristics of the argument maker rather than the substance of the argument.

In my first post in this thread which I assume is the one you are referring to, I made an actual counter argument to the one you presented in the OP (which you have yet to counter in any meaningful way, on top of using untoward racist language at me[I am not even Chinese, btw]) as well as an insult included in jest because this is not debate club.

Let me see if I can demonstrate the difference between fallacious ad hominem, simple insults, and reasonable ad hominem with a few examples.

1. "You are an idiot." <- An insult, but not ad hominem. Does not seek to discredit any argument, merely to hurt the feelings of the opponent.
2. "Why should we listen to you? You are Chinese, you're one of them"! <- An ad hominem, and a fallacious one. Note how it seeks to blanketly discredit the opponent by attacking an unrelated personal characteristic of his.
3. "Why should we listen to you? You're not a surgeon!" <- Another ad hominem, but a reasonable and non-fallacious one. Taking medical advice from those with no medical training is generally not a good idea, and it is not fallacious to point this out.

[Sephirothpvp]

Ad Hominem is not always a fallacy, and plain old insults are not ad hominem. Ad hominem is a specific argumentation tactic that seeks to discredit an argument by attacking the perceived characteristics of the argument maker rather than the substance of the argument.

In my first post in this thread which I assume is the one you are referring to, I made an actual counter argument to the one you presented in the OP (which you have yet to counter in any meaningful way, on top of using untoward racist language at me[I am not even Chinese, btw]) as well as an insult included in jest because this is not debate club.

Let me see if I can demonstrate the difference between fallacious ad hominem, simple insults, and reasonable ad hominem with a few examples.

1. "You are an idiot." <- An insult, but not ad hominem. Does not seek to discredit any argument, merely to hurt the feelings of the opponent.
2. "Why should we listen to you? You are Chinese, you're one of them"! <- An ad hominem, and a fallacious one. Note how it seeks to blanketly discredit the opponent by attacking an unrelated personal characteristic of his.
3. "Why should we listen to you? You're not a surgeon!" <- Another ad hominem, but a reasonable and non-fallacious one. Taking medical advice from those with no medical training is generally not a good idea, and it is not fallacious to point this out.

It's funny because your "jest" was basically "Why should we listen to you? Your username is ..!" not your ridiculous example on your point number 1. Guess your 10 minute google search didn't help you much huh.

Now on the topic at hand. Your arguments were:
1. It was annoying to spend 30 min leveling my bank alt.
2. Chinabotters will just bot their way up to 15 instead of 5.

Also it's quite ironic you call me out on the "racist remark" but you're the first one here who's assuming the gold farmers are actually chinese, j/s. Anyways:

1. Nobody gives a shit about how tedious it was for you getting to level 5, if you don't want to play / make a bank alt don't do it, nobody's forcing you.
2. The time difference between hitting 5 and 15 is significant enough to make the detection of your so called "chinabot" easier, thus increasing the chance that they get banned before being able to post spam messages.

[mozibake]

For convenience's sake I'll present my counterpoints in the opposite order as the points presented, now that I've finally been given some.

The time difference is completely insignificant. Do you really think the extra 6 or 7 hours it takes to get to level 15 will make a difference when there's level 5 spammers sitting unmolested for days in trade? What's needed are countermeasures against active spammers and not obnoxious pointless shit that only troubles legitimate players and presents no real obstacle to automated farmers and spammers.

"No one is forcing you" is the worst argument ever and can be applied to literally anything. No one is forcing you to read my posts. No one is forcing you to continue sucking oxygen. Next.

MMO gold farmers and botters are overwhelmingly Chinese and Russian, not to imply that there aren't plenty of legitimate and rule abiding players from those areas. Do you think feigning ignorance to this well-known fact helps your argument at all? I don't get the point of it.

No you.

In conclusion:

[Sephirothpvp]

For convenience's sake I'll present my counterpoints in the opposite order as the points presented, now that I've finally been given some.

The time difference is completely insignificant. Do you really think the extra 6 or 7 hours it takes to get to level 15 will make a difference when there's level 5 spammers sitting unmolested for days in trade? What's needed are countermeasures against active spammers and not obnoxious pointless shit that only troubles legitimate players and presents no real obstacle to automated farmers and spammers.

"No one is forcing you" is the worst argument ever and can be applied to literally anything. No one is forcing you to read my posts. No one is forcing you to continue sucking oxygen. Next.

MMO gold farmers and botters are overwhelmingly Chinese and Russian, not to imply that there aren't plenty of legitimate and rule abiding players from those areas. Do you think feigning ignorance to this well-known fact helps your argument at all? I don't get the point of it.

No you.

In conclusion:

I'm not complaining about reading your posts / breathing so indeed nobody is forcing me to, but even with the difficulties that come with replying to fucktards I'm still trying my best to get you to understand because I choose to, as opposed to your lazy ass not being able to level your useless bank alt for 10 more levels. BTW if you're gonna post your shitty image macros at least make sure they're properly written.

This is where we draw the line. You're fucking stupid and your arguments make me believe you're typing/playing from a center for people with down syndrome. Don't bother replying cause I'm not going to waste more of my time trying to reason with a faggot that's got internet culture so far down his throat and ass he replies to every single thread with memes / anime pictures.

Kthanksbye.

[mozibake]