PVE Realm

[Mryul]

Lol. No other servers. Just help your friends level.

[Simonich]

How about you don't start asking solutions from developers? How about you, as a player do something about it? Make a guild that defends towns from opposed players. There

Also, if your alliance faction was a community made of people who gave a fuck about each other, defending could be actually fun.

Anyway, everyone gets through banking, the weak don't survive.

[Raahl]

I like the idea of the community being in charge of policing each other, helping out their own faction, etc... It was one of the interesting dynamics that I enjoyed when I first started playing WoW. My guild was always down to help each other out. That sort of gets lost on a PVE realm.

That said, I haven't gotten to a higher level yet so I don't know how bad things are out there. From what I am reading here it sounds like there may be some issues and my ideal situation isn't occurring the way it should. If so, I do think the developers need to step in with a solution of some sort to help balance it out and keep lower level characters from getting completely discouraged. If everyone quits it won't be very fun in the long run.

I guess I will see what happens...

[Tali]

I won't - the Nost admins have said they won't set up a PVE server

I think "we don't have any plans to" isn't quite as final as "will not." While I imagine that in practice that means no PVE server is going to happen, hope springs eternal.


In response to the idea of getting friends to help, or Alliance banding together to defend, or "the weak" not surviving- that's fantastic if you've got high level friends that can drop everything to come help you, a lot of time, and are really into the PVP experience. I think most of the people asking for this are not.

I've seen a lot of people who are for a PVE server saying they just don't have the time to commit to this kind of thing. Leveling in Vanilla is a commitment and takes a lot longer than it does in later expansions, which is fine. The PVP shenanigans that are happening, however, make it take so much longer. If you work a full-time job, for example, this becomes very frustrating when all you want to do is just relax and level because you don't have a lot of time to play.

It's especially bad on the weekends because that's going to be the biggest chunk of time most working people have to play, but it's also when the PVPers come out in full force. I'm not complaining with running into a person now and then that kills me and I go on my way- I've played this game for over ten years, I'm used to that by now. I'm talking about when you can't even quest at all because there are actual bands of enemy players roaming the level 50+ zones, combing for people to kill because they need honor for the grind in between their long BG queues (By the way- making it too frustrating for Alliance to play/level? Not going to help your BG queue times.). They will camp you, they will chase you, they will try to make sure you do not get away. Several friends I've had have done the rank 14 grind, and every one of them have gotten desperate to get as much honor as they can. I know how that works. Combine that with a population this huge and it's pretty much a nightmare.

Furthermore, I know that a lot of people are really into World PVP and that getting people together to have massive fights over a town is something they really want. I'm being presumptuous, but I'm imagining a ganker's ultimate goal is having the person they ganked call for help, then the ganker calls for help, and then it escalates into a Tarren Mill/Southshore Scenario. If you enjoy that, that's wonderful. But I know I'm not alone when I say that sometimes, I just want to get on with leveling. Sometimes I just want to be left alone to play how I want to play and not get dragged into all that. I do enjoy some PVP but it's not the only reason I play the game, and more than that, I dislike being forced into it.

I'd like to add here that I started out, back in 2004 on retail, on a PVP server and pretty much hated it from the start. I leveled to 60 and 30 on the PVP server before I finally gave up and just restarted on a normal server- and found that I enjoyed the game so much more after that (For the record, yes, I've done my share of world PVP battles and battlegrounds- I was on one of my old's servers best premade BG teams. No, I don't gank and never have.). The people on the PVE servers certainly tend to have a different vibe, one that I mesh much better with and vastly prefer. The type of community that forms on a PVE server is also a reason I hope that the developers would be kind enough to open such a realm.

Finally, I'd just like to remind everything that this is a game. It is something you do for fun at your leisure. It shouldn't have to be a second job or a source of frustration. I'm glad so many are enjoying the PVP experience they get here, and I know the developers owe me nothing and don't cater to everyone, but to be honest, if I had a gold for every time I've heard, "You don't like it, then leave!", I'd have my epic mount by now. This isn't retail where you are offered your choice of equal, quality servers with the designation you want. A well-scripted, stable, truly progressive Blizzlike Vanilla server with a thriving population isn't exactly dime a dozen. Even finding one of those without the population is uncommon, and just about in every case they're a PVP server. It's not like the people who are asking for a PVE server have the wealth of choice that the more hardcore PVPers do.

I know that being here is my choice, and I know that I could try to find another server that has all that Nostalrius offers me and a PVE designation to boot (however unlikely that is)- but I'm already here, I'm already level 50, I already have friends (most of whom agree with me about wanting a PVE server), I have the old school level 60 horse that I've always, always wanted sitting in my bags waiting for level 60 and enough gold to afford riding training. I'm just still hoping that the devs here reconsider their plans for not making a PVE server. Even if the PVE server is smaller, a little bit slower, and a lower priority than the main server- we have the population to support it and the people who would love it.

[Shiggs13]

The problem that most don't realize is that the staff is most likely understaffed. They might not have the man power to even create a new server.

Echoing what this developer said: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2815&start=70, we can see that they might not have enough people to even consider a new server (pve or pvp). Maybe in the future we might see one, but asfaik there isn't going to be one anytime soon especially with all the things they're working on. A new server may not even be on their minds when they're devoting so much time on this one to just split the manpower? Don't think that will happen soon.

Maybe we'll see a new server when things have progressed enough? We just don't know, and it amazes me that people keep asking for the impossible on a server that started 2 months ago. Be realistic.

[l33tplaya97]

no
this is a pvp server
deal with it

[Alarien]

Like i mentioned in one of the previous posts, the simple implementing of ability to choose if you want to be available for open world pvp would solve this. I am pretty new to this server and so far, it seems like wild wild West, tons of corpse camping, gy camping etc and no one gives a crap to stop this. Like few people said, it was fun when we were teenagers with shittons of time on our backs, but now when some of us have an actual jobs and limited playing time, it would be nice to be able to log in an quest w/o having to deal with lvl 60 players and 5 vs 1 gankings. I don't see how that would change anything for the worse, if would just give a piece of mind to the people that are into PvE w/o opening a separate server or changing the game drastically.

[Tali]

First, I'd like to thank you for reading my massive wall of text up there- I appreciate it.

Yes, it is quite possible that they are understaffed, but I recall hearing (and if I am wrong, please link me to a correction) that as progression moves along, they plan to open up Burning Crusade and Wrath servers with new teams. I'd imagine the bigger concern is the money it would take to host a new server.

From what I understand of scripting and running servers, all they'd have to do is copy the current realm but switch the copy to PVE. The investment would be the hardware/hosting for a new server and the GMs to staff it (although with a population split, this may not be an issue).

While the current incarnation of Nostalrius is only 2 months old, the server itself has a five year history as I recall, including being a launched French server before they rebooted it for the International market. You say to be realistic. I understand if they just don't want to or can't afford to or don't have the manpower. But if I am being completely honest, and forgive me if this is rude, but it seems that you are very much on the side of enjoying a PVP server, and thus you have more or less what you want and all the choice afforded to you. Please try to understand what it's like to be on the opposite side and have little to no options to play the game you wanted, or what it would be like if every server out there was PVE only and you just wanted some world PVP like on a PVP server and if you said anything about it, everyone told you to go somewhere else, stop whining, the devs can't possibly give you what you want so suck it up and deal with it.

[Sijuan]

While I really would like to see server stuff actually do something about open world PvP-nonsense time wasting and let those who enjoy it, enjoy it with others who are like them, and let us who do not want to be part of it alone, there is at least one serious down side to that.

Splitting server will shift economy in some direction, bad one more likely then good.

Why can't you just allow simple in game command to flag your self for PvP?

And don't give me "it's not Blizz-like" excuse. First of all, Blizzard had more servers up, so everyone could chose what fits him best. Secondly, Blizzard admins were involved much more then Nostalrius admins are, in protecting players against grave yard camping and corpse ganking. Last time I checked Nostalrius forums, when ever someone actually complains about that, you kinda make it like it is his own fault that he is being ganked.

Last time I checked Vanilla WoW was meant to be played by experiencing past level 60 content, now while I do think low level open world PvP is waste of time, I could understand that some of you, for whatever reason, enjoy it. Only thing that we are asking here, is to exclude all of us who doesn't wan't to be part of that and simply enjoy it with others like you, who do like it.

[Alarien]

Asking to suck it up is such typical and dumb answer to everything that's been said so far. Problem is not even the PvP but the lack of rules when it comes to it, ones that existed on official Blizzard servers if you really want to be so much of a Blizzlike nazi.

I've been on a server that started like this, that was populated and that had exactly the same politics and it ended up pretty much empty because of the lack of the control or rules. I am sure that they have a lot of other things on their mind and that all of us are expecting something but if you let your community do whatever it wants to do and ignores rules, you are not doing a good job. All the suggestions and critiques that were made are most of us are really trying to stay here and give this server a chance because of the nostalgy towards Vanilla but there is just so much that adult players that have limited playtime will tolerate (and in the end, most of us will donate to this server because we want to keep this project alive, not 12-14y olds that are polluting the forums and keep giving retarded comments to every every thread).