Change the terms of use to be less ambiguous

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Re: Change the terms of use to be less ambiguous

by Aunstic » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:55 am

octav3k wrote:You don't say, Bioness; but if they don't give two shits about players being scammed, why do the rules say players get banned for that reason? They should change the rules to reflect reality and to avoid that false advertisement they're currently doing with "Stability and security".

They do care, actually. Players that have been affected by COD scams have had their gold returned to them. Situations outside of this I can't determine whether or not are monitored.

I'd just like to point out that there's a difference between letting players know that they are responsible for their actions and must take into consideration everything they do. If you are scammed in realtime and the trade looks legitimate, how would a GM know that you are telling the truth in this situation? Or let's take this up to an admin...

Let's say you gave someone materials to craft something and they walked off. You never took a screenshot or recorded it so you have no proof of loss and obviously he will deny everything if he is questioned. Even if you gave him gold for an item that is definitely not worth that price in this situation, the trade still looks legitimate even if you had proof.

If you get scammed, that's pretty much you're own fault because the person that scammed you outwitted you. He'll get banned though if it was breaking the rules such as COD scamming, impersonation, harassment, etc. Otherwise, your report is up in the air.

Just to clarify on Bioness's example of the staff not taking care of ninja looters: if you are in a group and the leader, you're responsible for the group's loot type and loot threshold as well as loot rules (spoken). If you join a party, there's a mutual trust that you are not with a malicious person. You have a 1 in 4 chance that someone can be sneaky with the need rolls, chest loot, etc. This falls under 'people are inherently evil' really. It's not the same situation as scamming either.
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Re: Change the terms of use to be less ambiguous

by Pottu » Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:54 pm

COD scamming and impersonating staff are bannable offences.

Promising to craft you an item and then walking away with the mats is not. This is similar to ninjalooting. Our terms of use are clear in this aspect, I believe - but if you think there is ambiguity in them, shoot me a re-worded version in a PM and I'll take it to the admins.

octav3k, I'm sorry that your friend got scammed. I handled her ticket. But I hope you and her (and everyone else) can appreciate the gigantic can of worms that would spill open if we started actively moderating player interactions and trades or loot issues and whatnot. There would not be enough hours in the day to handle the avalanche of tickets.

To avoid such tragedies in the future, she should stick to the Trusted Crafters who can be found here:

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