PanTheSatyr wrote:Insignia wrote:PanTheSatyr wrote:Your definition of "successful" may include "first to clear", but mine doesn't.
There, you already lost your own arguement.
The most successful guilds are the most famous ones in which fame roots from world's firsts = The most hardcore.
Please try again later, better luck next time.
Wow, you consider successful guilds to be "famous ones"? I couldn't name you ONE guild from Vanilla WoW that was "famous". They're just gamers, not celebrities, and they're certainly not worthy of praise for winning a game. That's like saying, "Hooray! Tommy won at Monopoly!" That's great if Tommy is 8 years old. If he's in his 20's... he needs to get out more.
Personally, a "successful" guild is one where people become friends outside the game and have fun clearing content at whatever pace they decide is best for them. Guilds that rush-rush-rush to complete content are the ones who sit for weeks/months waiting for a new patch, bored and with nothing to do. I feel kinda sorry for them.
So I didn't lose, and neither did you. We have differing opinions of what constitutes "success". And I doubt we're going to see eye-to-eye or change each other's minds.
You only win at Monopoly when all the other players give up in disgust and smack their piece to send it flying into the wall and yell at you hogging all the good property squares and overcharging them. Monopoly ruins friendships, just like ninja-looters in a PuG (not saying you or anyone here is one, just saying) dungeon run.