Vanilla is not the gospel

[NikeTheSword]

Nostalrius is obviously geared towards those who had played vanilla in the past and want to experience it once more. Its the little things that make vanilla, vanilla. Also why so much people play on Nostalrius.

Any changes would take away the true vanilla experience.

This. I play on Nost to get that authentic vanilla feel. I want stuff to be hard, I want the stakes to be high.
The server only caters one way, yours or ours. And atm it caters to the latter which is 1:1 blizzlike.
Don't like it? Move on. (Like most of us did from retail or private servers with centaurs, x16 or any such).

This is our town scrub.

[ExpJustice]

Id say there are a few behind the curtain things that woud help, while simulatously not taking ANYTHING away from the vanilla experience.
One example woud be (if we ever get there ofc) cross server BGs.
But implementing stuff like dual speccs woud directly impact the game and therefore woudnt be a good idea IMO.

[NikeTheSword]

Id say there are a few behind the curtain things that woud help, while simulatously not taking ANYTHING away from the vanilla experience.
One example woud be (if we ever get there ofc) cross server BGs.
But implementing stuff like dual speccs woud directly impact the game and therefore woudnt be a good idea IMO.

Agree. But second server is not necessary atm. We only get 7000+ players during weekends, other times it's more like 4000-5000 which is stable and lagfree.

[Lifat]

Nostalrius is obviously geared towards those who had played vanilla in the past and want to experience it once more. Its the little things that make vanilla, vanilla. Also why so much people play on Nostalrius.

Any changes would take away the true vanilla experience.

Actually I play on this server, because I never got to raid during vanilla. I played a little but never became more than lvl 40 before TBC. I seriously doubt that all other 9000 players are old vanilla players, especially given some of the questions I see daily in general/trade/guild chat. I am willing to bet that a majority did in fact NOT raid during vanilla.

I don't buy that World PvP was part of the "vanilla experience" considering that lots of PvE servers existed back then.
I don't play on this server to get the absolute and most accurate vanilla feel. If I did I would have to leave the server because of some of the dungeon boss fights that don't have properly linked adds.

I do play on this server because it is as close to vanilla as possible and I want to experience the old ways with 40-man raiding and stuff like that.
I don't buy that game mechanics can't even be discussed in a fair and open way!
Don't tell me to move to another server simply because I actually like the idea of dual specs. I fail to see how that would detract from the experience at all, and I also fail to see how it would detract from the "community" in any way at all.
I could see a problem with locked XP, because it would reduce the amount of people who reach lvl 60 and it would reduce the amount of people who PvP in battlegrounds at lvl 60. See how easy that was? I voiced a legit concern with one of the OPs suggestions but I didn't say "go to another server". I simply stated that I would be worried about that suggestion changing things for the worse.

[dstar]

I do agree with the exp cap. I'm not sure why that is not in the game. In regards to dual specs, I say absolutely not. With dual specs, it will allow people to be in certain situations with the ideal spec such as pvp and raids. Part of the vanilla experience is not being perfectly attuned to every situation but dealing with it in your current state. When you spec your character you really have to think of the situations you can deal with and the consequences of using it. Not to mention the gold sink respecing allows.

[wiznot]

How about a gold sink system that lets players 'vote' with gold - vote about what features to put on the inevitable second server.

With this we can invent a whole new genre of whining.

[Pottu]

I just hope my original post will encourage people to keep a more open mind in the suggestions forum (or encourage the staff to crack down on statements that are not in any way constructive).

I'm afraid that will not happen and you can take a look in the mirror if you wonder why. I responded very respectfully to your original post and to your answer to my first post, yet you deemed it necessary to both call me a retard and saying that my input is "not worth hearing". I do not understand why you became so defensive and hostile.

What I meant by statistics is that anyone can make any sorts of statements, claiming to be speaking for the majority or "knowing" how "most" players think or feel - yet there is very little, if any, actual proof behind such statements. Since the server just reached over 9000 concurrent players yesterday, we can assume that the total number of players is easily over 10k and that mixture certainly includes all sorts of players. I don't buy your argument that every raiding 60 is talented identically - you can just check the Class sub-forums for a number of different builds for raiding for each class - nor do I buy your claim that PvP at 60 is hurt by lack of dual spec option.

[NikeTheSword]

I don't buy that World PvP was part of the "vanilla experience" considering that lots of PvE servers existed back then.

For those that played on PvP realms it was. The Devs have stated that this server aims to be as close as possible to an original PvP realm. Arguing against what Devs want to do with their server is odd behaviour as they are not service providers. You're just along the ride they created for themselves and welcomed others to join thus you don't get to call for fundamental changes like that.

I don't buy that game mechanics can't even be discussed in a fair and open way!

There's no discussion to be had, the Devs have stated that they aim to emulate blizzlike vanilla. Like it was stated earlier this board is mainly for forum suggestions and such, not game mechanics.

Don't tell me to move to another server simply because I actually like the idea of dual specs. I fail to see how that would detract from the experience at all

Adding a dual-specc would introduce a rapid inflation. Ever wonder why in retail prices are running at hundreds of thousands of gold? It's because the gold keeps piling up. It's also one of the reason why retail is such a decline. Most of us who play vanilla don't want that kind of accessibility. We want tough choices. Raid-specc? Grind-specc? PvP? Making respeccing easy detracts from the experience in that sense that our investment into the game loses it's value.

[Jackyy]

How about we bring the dual spec in. For me the big point is i dont need to go to trainer or adjust my keybinds.
Make a item like the hs with 1 hour cd that changes your speccs and settings.
This item can be purchased at class trainer for 45g and stacks up 20 times:-) or 900g and 20 charges
Gold sink? yes
Trouble respeccing anywhere? no

Xp lock for twinks? well we cant multibox ourselves trough dungeons... so
Make it a gold sink! 10g item xp lock for 10 days!

To encourage pug pvp and discourage griefing give bg comands out so we can que up wherever, whenever we want!
tired of farming in sillithus? want to pvp? but noooo the quebob is so far away.
well i could whisper someone in the city to que me up yes... but comand is more convinient!:-)
With av coming out i can see the worldchat "JOIN AV PLS"
cba to port back or hs on cd? no problem comands have your back!
.bg ws
.bg ab
.bg av
HOORAY

lol this sounds so CATA-like

[Archona]

Sorry, but I have no desire to see dual spec or exp lock ...

It's not the game I loved in Vanilla, and vanilla is what I'm enjoying in this server.

Please do NOT implement these things.