[Denied] Prohibit guilds from selling loot for gold

[Glenzig]

So don't buy loot then OP. No one is forcing you to use this service. I can't think of a good reason to disallow the service. And no, your reason is not a good reason.

[Snautz]

So in your opinion the game is all about gearing and you see loot sales as an illegitemate shortcut?
The solution was already given to you, simply refrain from joining those kinds of raids, and try to accept the fact that a lot of people play the game for different reasons than you.

And no I don't personally benefit from loot sales.

Its an mmorpg, not a single player, and loot saturation affects everyone. Blizzard set the rules very clear. People are free to play the game for whatever reasons they like but the rules should be respected.

If you are so worried about loot saturation you should have pleaded for the BWL loot tables to be fixed asap or content to be released quicker, complaining about loot sales is the least effective way to combat this since guilds only sell the items no one in their roster needs.
Besides, let's say Nostalrius decided to go with your "Blizzard rules" how would they go about it? All the solutions I can think of would severely gimp raids.
This is forum is for suggestions not a wishing pond, at least put some deeper thought into your suggestion before posting. It's pretty clear not a single person is impressed with your suggestion and follow up arguments so far.

[mozibake]

If Blizzard were against selling raid drops, master looter wouldn't exist. Master looter is there so that the loot master can bypass the need/greed rolls and distribute loot as he sees fit. "As he sees fit" could be whoever wins the /roll, whoever offers the most gold/DKP for the item, his GF, whatever. As far as I can remember Blizz always had a pretty hands-off policy concerning loot drama in guilds and let them distribute it as they felt necessary.

[alpham]

Besides, let's say Nostalrius decided to go with your "Blizzard rules" how would they go about it? All the solutions I can think of would severely gimp raids.

If this rule is adopted, most guilds will not want to risk it, they will stop advertising their goldruns in /world /trade, if they do players can report them. This alone will reduce this activity greatly.

If Blizzard were against selling raid drops, master looter wouldn't exist

ML can allow for item selling yes, but it's not there for that, and it certainly doesn't mean blizzard being ok with that.

[Snautz]

So people will stop advertising and buyers will just start making direct inquiries to the GM of the guilds who are in a position to sell raid loot, unless GMs find chatlogs you can just claim the buyer was a trialist who failed etc. Sounds like a lot of extra work for a staff who got better things to worry about imo.
Also you sure seem to talk a lot on blizzards behalf. Mind sharing your sources?

[smilkovpetko]

http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/ab ... ofuse.html

TOU

2.2 exploit the Service, a Game or any part thereof for any commercial purpose, including without limitation (a) use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other commercial establishment without the express written consent of Blizzard, unless otherwise stated in a EULA; (b) to communicate or facilitate any commercial advertisement or solicitation; (c) for gathering in-game currency, items or resources for sale outside the Game without Blizzard’s authorization; (d) selling or trading Game characters or accounts for the Service and/or a Game; or (e) performing in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Game, e.g., power-leveling;

2.4 buy or sell for real money or in exchange for in-game currency, items or resources that may be used in a Game outside the Game without Blizzard’s authorization;

https://eu.battle.net/support/en/articl ... um-conduct

Advertising in-game gambling or casinos.

[notgunnahappen]

Vanilla is all about time spent to acquire gear. Wether it's time earning DKP/LC influence raiding everyweek or spending your time grinding gold to buy said loot off these people.

The only way to bypass both these is buying gold with real money, which of course is against the rules.

[mozibake]

If Blizzard were against selling raid drops, master looter wouldn't exist

ML can allow for item selling yes, but it's not there for that, and it certainly doesn't mean blizzard being ok with that.

Do you have some proof that Blizzard are against it? Because the section of the Blizzard TOU that our friend strychnine poroshenko has highlighted above seems to indicate the opposite. Here's the relevant bit:

(e) performing in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Game, e.g., power-leveling;

2.4 buy or sell for real money or in exchange for in-game currency, items or resources that may be used in a Game outside the Game without Blizzard’s authorization;

I understand it as the following:

It makes no mention of forbidding trading in-game services for in-game currency. Meaning, for example, having someone power level you is within the TOU as long as it's not done in another way that breaks the TOU[botting, hacking, account sharing] and as long as payment for services rendered is done with in-game currency or items[no real money or sexual favors or whatever].

Seeing as this is a Blizzlike server I imagine the policy of the Nost staff mirrors that of Blizzard quite closely.

[Chillout]

Yeah, let's add more workload to admins.

[mozibake]

It also makes no explicit mention of trading real life services for real life currency. Blizz can't ban you IRL (yet).