Free Talent Resets

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Re: Free Talent Resets

by tonberry » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:40 pm

We've gone over this many times. Here is the official response.

I personally like that there is a cost associated with the respecs. I wouldn't utilize a hybrid talent spec if I could change my talents around anytime I needed to go do something else. If I find myself performing one roll in raids or only doing PvP, I plan to change it to something more focused and stick with it.
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Re: Free Talent Resets

by rcoop » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:52 pm

tonberry wrote:We've gone over this many times. Here is the official response.

I personally like that there is a cost associated with the respecs. I wouldn't utilize a hybrid talent spec if I could change my talents around anytime I needed to go do something else. If I find myself performing one roll in raids or only doing PvP, I plan to change it to something more focused and stick with it.

It's a forced diversity, but whatever. Thanks for your response.

I don't think it makes it harder either, just more inconvenient.
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Re: Free Talent Resets

by josh90 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:24 pm

Yes!! been thinking the same thing so glad this is on the top!!

I always change the talent reset and end up broke :( Trying to find my unique style and try different things so much fun!

But I just cant do it anymore cause it cost to much !

THIS WOULD BE A AWESOME ADDON!
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Re: Free Talent Resets

by Storfan » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:42 pm

rcoop wrote:
tonberry wrote:We've gone over this many times. Here is the official response.

I personally like that there is a cost associated with the respecs. I wouldn't utilize a hybrid talent spec if I could change my talents around anytime I needed to go do something else. If I find myself performing one roll in raids or only doing PvP, I plan to change it to something more focused and stick with it.

It's a forced diversity, but whatever. Thanks for your response.

I don't think it makes it harder either, just more inconvenient.


As is most things with vanilla. No dungeon finder, no flying mounts. The list goes on. It is the good (and the bad) things that make vanilla what it is.
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Re: Free Talent Resets

by rcoop » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:04 pm

Storfan wrote:
rcoop wrote:
tonberry wrote:We've gone over this many times. Here is the official response.

I personally like that there is a cost associated with the respecs. I wouldn't utilize a hybrid talent spec if I could change my talents around anytime I needed to go do something else. If I find myself performing one roll in raids or only doing PvP, I plan to change it to something more focused and stick with it.

It's a forced diversity, but whatever. Thanks for your response.

I don't think it makes it harder either, just more inconvenient.


As is most things with vanilla. No dungeon finder, no flying mounts. The list goes on. It is the good (and the bad) things that make vanilla what it is.

I don't know. I feel like this one is a little different though. It's an inconvenience that shouldn't be there. The other inconveniences don't seem to take away from the game as much. This one does.

Quite a lot actually.

I'd have to have hundreds of gold stocked up to experiment like I'd want to.
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Re: Free Talent Resets

by norm964bgb » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:34 pm

It really takes something from your character.
You have to decide whether to go in the PvE direction or PvP.
You shouldnt be able to go on a roll with your newly won item from PvE in PvP if you dont have the funds.
Your character is highly trained in the arts of combat swords (rogue). He shouldnt be able to be hemo rogue in the blink of an eye without having repercussions (paying gold).
It takes from the roleplaying heart of the game. And dont tell me the bad spec would be the disadvantage. There were always the cookiecutter specs for your playstyle. For rogue like 21/8/22, 21/3/27 etc. So people would switch back and forth from one cookie cutter to the other for different playstyles in PvP/PvE.
The way Diablo 2 handled it with not having the possibilty to respec made it so magical. You had to set your way in stone and go with it or level a new character. Be glad that Blizzard already softened it with WoW.
50g makes you think about it when to respecc or at all. That is a good thing.
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Re: Free Talent Resets

by rcoop » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:21 am

Well I guess it comes down to freedom or facism. With freedom you have the ability to create your own facism within yourself, while with facism, you, well... don't.

Some people have a very limited view of life. They think you can only be one person in life. If you have that point of view, having one spec does make sense lore wise, but some people don't have that view, and in that case, having multiple specs makes more sense. The funny thing is, you're right either way; you can never be wrong. It's just up to what you prefer. You'll have to make that choice eventually.

With regards to cookie cutters, I didn't mean it that way, but if you want to twist around my words like that, go ahead, it's your misery.

To be honest, I was just trying to have a conversation. I thought I had a good idea, so I thought I'd share it. Everyone came out with their own views. It dosen't seem like anyone is interested in what is right. Not that I think my idea is right, but it seems like the most free in comparison to all the other ideas, so I'm naturally drawn to it.

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Re: Free Talent Resets

by norm964bgb » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:53 am

The first paragraph sounds exactly like dungeon/raid casualization.
Vanilla/TBC:You dont get past Razorgore? Mu'ru? Too bad. Suck it up, if you aren't good enough the content past it isnt for you anyways.

MoP etc.: You can't do the content in your own way? Let's make easy mode, not so easymode, organisation easymode (Flex raiding as you dont need proper schedule, just raid with who is online), hardmode and hardcore. That was made because "gid gud" or gtfo was "fascist" and people complained.
Sometimes games need restrictions, so it doens't end up as a mess.
In Gothic 3 you could still do rebel quests even if you were exaulted with Orcs. That was bullshit and bad gamedesign.
I reject your ideas so tremendously because this is a private server. If the majority would want a change, the change would most likely come. And that's why I'm loud about my rejection. I don't want that change. I want the game exactly how it was 2006.
Why dont make palatanks/dps viable?
Why not making easymode dungeons, so noobs can get gear after some part of the game even if they lack skill?
You see my point.
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Re: Free Talent Resets

by ATF » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:26 am

I agree with OP, i thought the same thing.

I can deal with either way, it just seems silly to have to level multiple characters of the same class to be able to play the full range of it.

In current wow, switching talents/glyphs before an arena match is very common and doesn't require a "tome of clear mind" as it normally would.

Maybe some sort of Temporary Instance switching could be made available, that allows you to swap out talents while in an instance, yet revert back to standard setup when you leave.

This would help make everybody happier, and more useful considering we may need to fill multiple roles in areas of low population.

I get the original orthodox diehards but lets face it, not everything blizzard did was wrong... they are a successful business with many happy customers. I will play this and current wow without prejudice because they are at this point, totally different games.

Imitation or not, it's a tough act to follow. Must tread lightly.
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Re: Free Talent Resets

by rcoop » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:35 am

It seems like people fail to realize the difference between this issue and others. This has nothing to do with the difficulty of the game, or making it more casual. This is about having the freedom to experience your class fully, without having to grind out hundreds of gold to do so. We grow up in a world where you are told you can only only be a few things when you "grow up". I detest that fact. It's not true. You can be many things if you truely want to be, but this society doesn't let you, because you have to go through the grind, pur se. Learn heaps of meaningless knowlege and pay thousands to colleges that don't know how to teach. It's the same thing with this game. And I dissagree that you can't just blink your eye and be someone else. I think you really could if you had the courage and freedom of mind, the creativity. I think you might gravitate towards a certain spec, pur se, in the end, but that doesn't mean the freedom isn't there.

I probrobably wouldn't be a pro in your eyes. I haven't been through the grind like most people, but it sure as hell gives me more open eyes to look at the situation in a clearer way. People seem to have so many concrete ideas of how this game should be. You really think Blizzard knew what they were doing when they made this game? No. No one does. They're just people like you and me. There isn't one way "the game" should be. Just like life, it's always changing and adapting, unless of course you put your own restrictions on yourself.

This has really been the only passionate change that I thought should be made. Sure there are other small ones I'd like to see, but they are less important and don't take away from the game as much. Sure, I'd love to see a brand new game, with some creativity in it, which you rarely see today, but that's beside the point. I doubt these developers really have the creativity to make some good changes to the game, or the courage to stand alone, with new ideas, but that's beside the point as well.

I guess we're stuck with the same old thing on this server, but that's alright. People can see how it was when it first came out, and they will be left hanging in the end as well. I just wish people could fly, but oh well.
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