Balancing the classes a bit?

[Theloras]

I haven't played on Peenix in like 9 months (I played on Warsong - LOL $hit server) and 1K AoE DPS by Mages and Warlocks compared to me topping 4K DPS in those same AoE situations is a direct comparison.

Mages/Warlocks can't equip Force Reactive Disk and that's what sets Paladin AoE potential from them along with our innate AoE and Reflective Dmg abilities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STIixkkOmms
- this is WITHOUT Consecration

Meh, shitty attempt at trolling tbh.

Why are you under the impression that I am trolling you or anyone else here with what Paladins can dish out in AoE damage?

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[smilkovpetko]

If you are actually serious, I think you should prove all us haters wrong by joining an MC pug (cause I'm assuming you are not a guild-raider with that spec) and record it on realmplayers. I would love to see your dps on Sulfuron

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... 16&Fight=6

"on place where 70% of my dps abilities are bugged and nerfed" + many blue items with poor weapon compare to the group which i was in.

Sulfuron harbringer - against full t3 players that use very bis weapons..

i hope you are happy now. cheers by killerduki

I don't see how that proves your point.
I don't know shit about the warsong server, but the fact that you guys were slower than the good guilds on this server even though you guys are "full t3 players that use very bis weapons" and the fact that your dps on sulfuron than the best mages/rogues/warriors/warlocks and probably even hunters from THIS server either proves Warsong is a shitty server or you guys are exceptionally bad.

Tell me how did you got this fact that "we were slower than the good guilds on this server" ?

is that because i don't rush leveling up?
is that because i am not in hurry and want to accomplish my adventure before i hit level 60?
is that because not many guilds recruit hybrids?

you know when i hit lvl 60 i can always make my own raiding guild and accomplish all of your facts in denial.

what make you feel so comfort about your facts without evidences?

i can just tell you that in this server i can be 3 times more successful than the other server because my abilities work pretty good here and i am happy to be in server for this reason.

Is that because we show the opposite of your view? or because i showed you what you requested on realmplayers?.

After all seeing your facts and conversation i just can tell that you are here to troll only fill with hate because you lack of knowledge to understand how hybrid classes work.

In this server there is not enough spell damage gear but in this server compare to other server our "consecration" work with Attack power and Spell Power at a same time which is double bonus dmg for us.

[Theloras]

I haven't played on Peenix in like 9 months (I played on Warsong - LOL $hit server) and 1K AoE DPS by Mages and Warlocks compared to me topping 4K DPS in those same AoE situations is a direct comparison.

Mages/Warlocks can't equip Force Reactive Disk and that's what sets Paladin AoE potential from them along with our innate AoE and Reflective Dmg abilities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STIixkkOmms
- this is WITHOUT Consecration

Meh, shitty attempt at trolling tbh.

Isn't it funny that the same people who say I am deluded or trolling - they disappear when screenshots are provided showing exactly what I claim to have done - i.e. 4K DPS in an AoE fight - well let me leave this one for you to look at Datruth:

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/7250/6gc6.jpg

[alwini]

Used to play on Feenix' servers a while back, and one thing they never got right was spelldmg-scaling, especially for shamans (flametongue) and paladins (SoR and Consecration). Just a quick glance on your screenshots show how broken it is/was.

Consecration rank 5: 384dmg / 8 sec = 48/tick. Add in what I'm guessing is about 300spelldmg from flask, elixirs and gear. Add Vengeance (+15% holy dmg) and Sanctity Aura (+10% holy dmg).
If I remember correctly, Consecration gains 40% spelldmg over the entire duration, which brings the grand total to just about 600-650 dmg for the full 8 secs, or about 75-80 per tick.
Might be wrong on the spell-coefficient, but even if you double it, you're still around 95-98/tick.

There is no way in hell you could get those ticks even above 100 on a server with proper scaling, unless you're in full cloth.

[smilkovpetko]

Used to play on Feenix' servers a while back, and one thing they never got right was spelldmg-scaling, especially for shamans (flametongue) and paladins (SoR and Consecration). Just a quick glance on your screenshots show how broken it is/was.

Consecration rank 5: 384dmg / 8 sec = 48/tick. Add in what I'm guessing is about 300spelldmg from flask, elixirs and gear. Add Vengeance (+15% holy dmg) and Sanctity Aura (+10% holy dmg).
If I remember correctly, Consecration gains 40% spelldmg over the entire duration, which brings the grand total to just about 600-650 dmg for the full 8 secs, or about 75-80 per tick.
Might be wrong on the spell-coefficient, but even if you double it, you're still around 95-98/tick.

There is no way in hell you could get those ticks even above 100 on a server with proper scaling, unless you're in full cloth.

Why you talk things that you are not even well informed thus you make non sense? ....

You forget to mention that there consecration was not scaling in the other server with attack power + there i could increase my spell damage over 500++ using paladin sets and bis enchants/weapons.

here it work with both at same time and is proper.

so you can basic use spell damage weapon (current bis is 40) + brilliant wizard oil 35+ greater arcane elixir 30 + spell damage enchant on weapon 30 + supreme flask 150.

now combine this 295 or let say 300 SP with the attack power that we increase from seal of crusader + blessing of might + strength elixirs + strength we gain from gear + strength we gain from buffs.

then add = sanctity aura + vengeance + (let say on main target) dmg from judge of crusade.

this will bring you lot more than 100 per tick.

[Snautz]

Why you talk things that you are not even well informed thus you make non sense? ....

so you can basic use spell damage weapon (current bis is 40) + brilliant wizard oil 35+ greater arcane elixir 30 + spell damage enchant on weapon 30 + supreme flask 150.

Brilliant Wizard Oil won't be out untill ZG, and good luck with getting azuresong mageblade on a paladin

Ps. Sorry for not adding any value to this very relevant discussion, I just found that bit entertaning.

[Theloras]

Why you talk things that you are not even well informed thus you make non sense? ....

so you can basic use spell damage weapon (current bis is 40) + brilliant wizard oil 35+ greater arcane elixir 30 + spell damage enchant on weapon 30 + supreme flask 150.

Brilliant Wizard Oil won't be out untill ZG, and good luck with getting azuresong mageblade on a paladin

Ps. Sorry for not adding any value to this very relevant discussion, I just found that bit entertaning.

FYI Consecration is scaling with ATTACK POWER here on Nostalrius...

But I digress, since we have no spell dmg on our tier gear until patch 1.9, I would imagine Consecration scaling with AP will remain as is until 2016 when AQ 20/40 come out.

Plus I had over +500 Spell Dmg back on Peenix, plus trinket, plus flask, plus Wizard Oil, plus Arcane Elixir, plus DMF, plus plus plus

Seal of Righteousness and Consecration were also working fine there and not broken as you put it:

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Never mind the fact that in the previous 40man raid PvE screenshots I showed you that my most powerful attack came from:



This procs on EVERY block (no internal cooldown), chains to all targets and scales with spell dmg.

So a Paladin with the Redoubt Talent in the Protection tree which gives several charges of +30% Shield Block, along with a couple of tanking items with +Shield Block on them mean that I would literally blow $hit up fast and be able to survive - unlike Mages or Warlocks.

Then you add in Consecration, Retribution Aura, Sanctity Aura, Crystal Charge, Thorns, etc etc etc

[smilkovpetko]

Why you talk things that you are not even well informed thus you make non sense? ....

so you can basic use spell damage weapon (current bis is 40) + brilliant wizard oil 35+ greater arcane elixir 30 + spell damage enchant on weapon 30 + supreme flask 150.

Brilliant Wizard Oil won't be out untill ZG, and good luck with getting azuresong mageblade on a paladin

Ps. Sorry for not adding any value to this very relevant discussion, I just found that bit entertaning.

"good luck with getting azuresong mageblade" .... nice discussion and i am pretty sure you acomplish too much fun trolling with that...
(i can always make my own guild or my own raid and reserve this weapon) will that be impossible to do? no.

Mainspec is mainspec and this is rule for everyone unless "greedy ninjas" not allow you to take it , you like it or not.
If we make it to get it or not ,then this is none of your business.

you still have wizard oil (the non brilliant version)..

and it work with attack power too.

noneed to explain further.

but i guess topic went too much trolling and goes out from the topic discussion.

i doubt people that come here and tell us we are wrong have no evidence and come for troll purpose.
unlike them we gave all the evidences.

since many avoid reading my posts just reminder of what i said before :
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20283&start=10#p133866

[Snautz]

@Theloras you quoted me so I'm assuming that wall of text was meant for me? I just thought it was funny how smilkovpetko called that other dude uninformed and then goes on to mention a consumable which isn't ingame yet and a weapon which paladins never will get their hands on. I'm not here to argue

Just out of curiosity, paladins AoE prowess seems like a topic you're very keen to prove (if I understood this thread correctly, I didn't bother reading it all) so why don't you show videos of you outdamaging a competent mage on the AoE packs in Stratholme or better yet, the dog packs in MC? Or Sulfuron if your guild stacks the adds on that fight of course. I don't think easily cheeseable pictures from another server and a video of a low lvl dungeon will convince anyone.
Also please correct me if I'm wrong, I play horde and have very limited knowledge about palas. But doesn't your AoE damage depend on you having aggro? Which I could imagine would be a problem for you to hold on an aoe pack with no aoe taunt or regular taunt for that matter. I could also imagine the lack of defensive cooldowns being a problem on hard hitting packs (Yes I know you got bubble, but since it kills aggro it kinda defeats the purpose)

@smilkovpetko What makes you think I'm trolling? Mages and warlocks benefits way more from Azuresong, so doing that would be kind of a dick move and I doubt any decent players would play in a guild with such policies. Anyways I wish you luck if you decide to run a guild like that, I would personally love to see it

[Theloras]

@Theloras you quoted me so I'm assuming that wall of text was meant for me? I just thought it was funny how smilkovpetko called that other dude uninformed and then goes on to mention a consumable which isn't ingame yet and a weapon which paladins never will get their hands on. I'm not here to argue

Just out of curiosity, paladins AoE prowess seems like a topic you're very keen to prove (if I understood this thread correctly, I didn't bother reading it all) so why don't you show videos of you outdamaging a competent mage on the AoE packs in Stratholme or better yet, the dog packs in MC? Or Sulfuron if your guild stacks the adds on that fight of course. I don't think easily cheeseable pictures from another server and a video of a low lvl dungeon will convince anyone.
Also please correct me if I'm wrong, I play horde and have very limited knowledge about palas. But doesn't your AoE damage depend on you having aggro? Which I could imagine would be a problem for you to hold on an aoe pack with no aoe taunt or regular taunt for that matter. I could also imagine the lack of defensive cooldowns being a problem on hard hitting packs (Yes I know you got bubble, but since it kills aggro it kinda defeats the purpose)

@smilkovpetko What makes you think I'm trolling? Mages and warlocks benefits way more from Azuresong, so doing that would be kind of a dick move and I doubt any decent players would play in a guild with such policies. Anyways I wish you luck if you decide to run a guild like that, I would personally love to see it

Snautz, by your own admission you said that you know very little about how Paladins function so I will take this opportunity to educate/illuminate you as to what we can do and not chew your head off.

Let me go screenshot by screenshot:

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- this fight shows the BWL Suppression Room and Broodlord fight
- Meista (geared/skilled Warlock) - Pascas (geared/skilled Warlock) - Coldstone (geared/skilled Mage) - Kriv (geared/skilled Warlock)
- these are the casters who TRIED to keep up with my AoE dmg but couldn't
- because I was AoE tanking the entire encounter with Consecration, Force Reactive Disk and Reflective damage
- I don't need a single target taunt or AoE taunt when I'm putting out over 4K DPS
- I still ended up with just under 1300 DPS over the entire encounter even though I ended up HEALING the tanks during the actual Broodlord fight

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- again right in the thick of things and showing 4K DPS while AoE tanking spider packs in Naxx
- Mediv (geared/skilled Mage), Rollinpapers (geared/skilled Mage), Coldstone (geared/skilled Mage), Pascas (geared/skilled Warlock
- the healers focused their heals on me

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- DOUBLE PALADIN POWAH
- Cysthen (geared/skilled PROT Paladin with me as RETRIBUTION in his group to feed him Sanctity Aura
- the two of us combined to do 55% of the total raid dmg in these AoE fights in AQ40

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- again double Paladin AoE with Cysthen and I in BWL gauntlet

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- aber AoE dmg/tanking with Cysthen and I in MC on Garr
- he tanked all of the adds while I AoE'd them down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STIixkkOmms
- this video shows the AoE and Reflective dmg potential we can put out
- this was done without Consecration to show exactly that
- plus I was PvP Reck spec when I made this video and didn't want to respec

As far as how things are here on Nostalrius, I AoE tank all 5/10 man dungeons fine and even end up top DPS while doing so even though I don't have Force Reactive Disk here yet.

Consecration + Retribution Aura + Grenades/Holy Water = lots of dead mobs

Hope this helps.