Snautz wrote:@Theloras Your point about this servers mechanics vs another servers mechanics is exactly why I remain skeptic to the idea in a lot of ways, I wanna see it done on this server and after that whole lecture I expect you to follow through
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That being said I'm in no way opposed to untradional approaches to the game, I'm all for it actually, as long as it proves to be more efficient without having any overall drawback on the raid. What I mean by drawback is you may be pulling some insane numbers, but if you require more time to be able to hold threat than a warrior using challenging shout and if you require more healing than a warrior it's obviously not efficient, just an example.
I'm sure you will find 10 arguments from another server to disprove it and I will not be in a position to agree or disagree for multiple reasons and I will end up referring to the first few sentences of this post again.
With regards to AQ boss tanking tactics I'm not in a position to discuss anything past BWL since I haven't done any of that in 10 years and back then I was dps. But I wouldn't be surprised if paladins have some niches, I would still put my money on a warrior on the majority of fights though.
"As far as AoE tanking, if I drop too low while AoEing multiple mob packs, then that is the fault of the healers not mine. Imagine what would happen if a Mage or Warlock were AoE tanking those mobs in nothing but cloth armour compared to my Plate armour + Shield and this is also a moot point."
You ALWAYS have multiple warriors with challenging shout though, so using a shout rotation and letting mages + warlocks go bonkers on aoe might overall be a more efficient solution.
@smilkovpetko
I feel like you're just arguing for the sake of arguing and you're having a hard time grasping simple points so I'm gonna keep it short and unrefined with you.
A paladin also uses their melee weapon to singletarget tank. Azuresong simply doesn't make the cut for that since it is slow as fuck and have low damage compared to the alternatives, so what I'm saying is you gotta pick between giving that pala better aoe tanking damage vs giving a mage/warlock better damage overall. Easy choice
Just look at your tier gears itemization and set bonuses compared to a warriors dude. Even if you didn't use judgement of crusade he was still at double your threat even though he got conflagged way more than you.
Seriously? There are almost 200 dps difference which is a lot. Also you are in tier 2 + 2,5 gear while I (number 2 on the list) is in mostly dungeon greens and blues plus without flasks. No comparison.
Anyways feel free to prove your point when you reach level60 on this server.
Azuresong simply doesn't make the cut for that since it is slow as fuck and have low damage compared to the alternatives,Why you are so convict about this? ... Seal of Righteousness damage in fact get increased if you are using slow weapon , and as i said our threats are not Melee. . why do you compare Warriors with Paladin which is not same...
Our Threats , including any abilities for
Maintarget or AoE that we have is based on Spell Damage (Holy School) , not a Melee Damage. Any Paladin Tank which is Tank spec is fail if he is using Melee Weapon , simple as that.
Even if you didn't use judgement of crusade he was still at double your threat even though he got conflagged way more than you.This is not true at all , if he could make lot more threats than me , why then i over aggro him when i was not supposed or trying to?..
Warriors in fact does 2 times lower aggro than Paladins.
Just look at your tier gears itemization and set bonuses compared to a warriors dude. I don't need Tier Gear in order to do my Job , We already Have Everything we need to do Proper Tanking and Surviving. There is no question about it , what you just said is false illusion that "stats warrior vs stats paladin"
Seriously? There are almost 200 dps difference which is a lot. Also you are in tier 2 + 2,5 gear while I (number 2 on the list) is in mostly dungeon greens and blues plus without flasks. No comparison.You still avoid my point where i said that i use there full tier 2 and 70% of my abilities are bugged and nerfed to the ground on that project.
The difference between that dps and your "superior" dps is not big difference and here our bonus is that we deal way higher than we could in that server.
Anything you say that as tanks we need taunt is just false, Skilled Paladin don't need taunt at all since it's threats skyrock and if he want to "taunt" all he need is to push 2 buttons (consecration and judgement) there he overagro warrior in 1-2 seconds.
Why you are so convict against what i say when you have no evidence of the opposite from what i say ? nor you have any skill about Paladins.
Anyway Patience m8 i will show you in future when i hit lvl 60.
/cheers
p.s i feel myself jerk debating something i have already done and experienced over 10 years Tanking.
If someone deny no matter what i explain or give evidence make me feel insane and stupid.
We both agree that we disagree eachother.
