Are nost devs focusing too little on fixing class bugs?

[Dreez]

- The IsVV team exists to confirm bugs with enough evidence provided by the one reporting it and with proof of it being bugged immediately. Some bugs are really difficult to reproduce and thus take more time to identify.
A simple "x is bugged because here look at this wowwiki link" when there's no evidence to be quickly found (or the bug can't be simply reproduced), will of course not result in an instant fix.
In the end it's them devoting their free time to this project.

You quoted my post so from what I can gather... either you didnt read it at all, or you are acting intentionally ignorant... regardless I will wait for someone who demonstrates relevance in their train of thought or opinion to reply...

nice arguments you got there, the post was exactly replying to what you said
taking too much time to reproduce = not enough information provided as of how to reproduce
--> provide proof

[smilkovpetko]

by Dreez » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:12 am
The reporter is responsible for finding proof of the spell being bugged, if it was the other way round they'd NEVER get to fix anything.

You are trying to act smart here. But you completely avoid to read what have been said :

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 40#p192793

Multiple consecration is not fixed , but the most worry for me is the bugs they denied based on assumptions .

Fingers mainly pointed at One-Handed Specialization.
Second Consecration.
Third Seal of Righteousness.

All 3 are most important for Protection Paladin to play.

Unless they face toward evidences and prove us wrong on Reporting .

Denying Blizzard Evidences without proper sources/evidence given to us , mean this server will never be Blizzlike. Neither they care about our bugs.

or you forgot to read this :

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 30#p189781

What about those 2 reports that are set to invalid based on assumptions denying pure Evidences
(and full investigated by reporters)

1st report about consecration = https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=418

Thottbot 8th February 2006

http://web.archive.org/web/200602080934 ... /?sp=20924
(nobody mention attack power scale)

Wowwiki 2.0.1 patch note
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.0.1
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note)

®Blizzard Website with patch notes 2.0.1
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/2-0-1
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note).

®Blizzard Forum 2006 patch 1.12
http://web.archive.org/web/200611102258 ... 1828&sid=1
(Nobody say that scale with Attack Power)

®Blizzard Forum 2006 patch 1.9
http://web.archive.org/web/200603280851 ... post822324
(Pure evidence that Consecration should not scale with Attack Power)

Zalgradis (the legendary PVP Paladin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlA0aolJCYs
(Pure Evidence that Consecration does not scale with Attack Power)

(Protection Paladin) 8 Years ago video of tanking Vanilla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84OwHLAuQzc
(Pure Evidence that Consecration does not scale with Attack Power).

®Blizzard TBC Website Patchnotes 2.0.1
http://web.archive.org/web/200710091824 ... 2010.html#
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note)


2nd Report about one-handed weapon specialization= https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2636


http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/One-Hande ... did=767948

Rank Increases by
1 2%
2 4%
3 6%
4 8%
5 10%
Description
(vanilla version)
Increases all damage you deal when a one-handed weapon is equipped

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/One-Hande ... did=768020

Rank Increases by
1 1%
2 2%
3 3%
4 4%
5 5%
Description
(tbc version)
Increases all damage you deal when a one-handed weapon is equipped.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/One-Hande ... id=1962854

1 4%
2 7%
3 10%
(lich king version)
This affects all damage done, not just melee auto attacks.



®Blizzard Forum November 10 2006 patch 1.12

http://web.archive.org/web/200611102258 ... 1828&sid=1

This is perfect proof that one-handed specialization indeed increase our "abilities" by 10%!



Both reports Denied and are set to Invalid based on assumptions without providing pure evidence.

(both reports affect Protection Paladin and are Gamebreaking) .

Seal of Righteousness
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2762

Completely Ignored and is most important for Protection Paladin to function properly.
(without sor working) we are just trash and nothing.

[Stalk]

1. yes I do know exactly what I'm talking about
2. all bigger private servers have devs assigned to specific tasks, look at what kind of issues is marked as resolved by whom and you'll quickly notice this
3. I'd like to see you script a server for 7k players with this "lack of complexity in server's scripts"

1. You do not know.
2. Modifying values in a database is not software development.
3. Dungeons scripts have no bearing on the server's ability to handle requests from 7000 players. Scripts decisions are <2% of the CPU and memory usage that the server software handles.

[Dreez]

by Dreez » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:12 am
The reporter is responsible for finding proof of the spell being bugged, if it was the other way round they'd NEVER get to fix anything.

You are trying to act smart here. But you completely avoid to read what have been said :

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 40#p192793

Multiple consecration is not fixed , but the most worry for me is the bugs they denied based on assumptions .

Fingers mainly pointed at One-Handed Specialization.
Second Consecration.
Third Seal of Righteousness.

All 3 are most important for Protection Paladin to play.

Unless they face toward evidences and prove us wrong on Reporting .

Denying Blizzard Evidences without proper sources/evidence given to us , mean this server will never be Blizzlike. Neither they care about our bugs.

or you forgot to read this :

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 30#p189781

What about those 2 reports that are set to invalid based on assumptions denying pure Evidences
(and full investigated by reporters)

1st report about consecration = https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=418

Thottbot 8th February 2006

http://web.archive.org/web/200602080934 ... /?sp=20924
(nobody mention attack power scale)

Wowwiki 2.0.1 patch note
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.0.1
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note)

®Blizzard Website with patch notes 2.0.1
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/2-0-1
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note).

®Blizzard Forum 2006 patch 1.12
http://web.archive.org/web/200611102258 ... 1828&sid=1
(Nobody say that scale with Attack Power)

®Blizzard Forum 2006 patch 1.9
http://web.archive.org/web/200603280851 ... post822324
(Pure evidence that Consecration should not scale with Attack Power)

Zalgradis (the legendary PVP Paladin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlA0aolJCYs
(Pure Evidence that Consecration does not scale with Attack Power)

(Protection Paladin) 8 Years ago video of tanking Vanilla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84OwHLAuQzc
(Pure Evidence that Consecration does not scale with Attack Power).

®Blizzard TBC Website Patchnotes 2.0.1
http://web.archive.org/web/200710091824 ... 2010.html#
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note)


2nd Report about one-handed weapon specialization= https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2636


http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/One-Hande ... did=767948

Rank Increases by
1 2%
2 4%
3 6%
4 8%
5 10%
Description
(vanilla version)
Increases all damage you deal when a one-handed weapon is equipped

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/One-Hande ... did=768020

Rank Increases by
1 1%
2 2%
3 3%
4 4%
5 5%
Description
(tbc version)
Increases all damage you deal when a one-handed weapon is equipped.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/One-Hande ... id=1962854

1 4%
2 7%
3 10%
(lich king version)
This affects all damage done, not just melee auto attacks.



®Blizzard Forum November 10 2006 patch 1.12

http://web.archive.org/web/200611102258 ... 1828&sid=1

This is perfect proof that one-handed specialization indeed increase our "abilities" by 10%!



Both reports Denied and are set to Invalid based on assumptions without providing pure evidence.

(both reports affect Protection Paladin and are Gamebreaking) .

Seal of Righteousness
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2762

Completely Ignored and is most important for Protection Paladin to function properly.
(without sor working) we are just trash and nothing.

and once again...
they still decided to put a higher priority on fixing arcane missiles
why? because it was nearly impossible to use them in a raid (also affecting other channeled spells)
the issues you mention above, though important, aren't as urgent as these or maybe the devs had more fun fixing the other issues first, who knows?

oh and the reports you mention actually have been denied after a dev looked into them, I don't see where your problem is?
+ not mentioning if something was the case does not mean it actually wasn't

[Dreez]

1. yes I do know exactly what I'm talking about
2. all bigger private servers have devs assigned to specific tasks, look at what kind of issues is marked as resolved by whom and you'll quickly notice this
3. I'd like to see you script a server for 7k players with this "lack of complexity in server's scripts"

1. You do not know.
2. Modifying values in a database is not software development.
3. Dungeons scripts have no bearing on the server's ability to handle requests from 7000 players. Scripts decisions are <2% of the CPU and memory usage that the server software handles.

I actually misread what you wrote earlier on, however the point still stands that nostalrius has a DB dev assigned to DB stuff as you can see when looking through the bugtracker

[smilkovpetko]

oh and the reports you mention actually have been denied after a dev looked into them, I don't see where your problem is?

Both reports Denied and are set to Invalid based on assumptions without providing pure evidence.

There is the Problem ^

[Dreez]

oh and the reports you mention actually have been denied after a dev looked into them, I don't see where your problem is?

Both reports Denied and are set to Invalid based on assumptions without providing pure evidence.

There is the Problem ^

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2636
was marked as invalid before the evidence was provided
I guess they just don't look into denied reports anymore, it's best to make a new one and actually include the proof in the main post

btw you'll also find an answer to most of your questions in the report comments
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=418
literally no hard proof in there at all from neither side

[smilkovpetko]

oh and the reports you mention actually have been denied after a dev looked into them, I don't see where your problem is?

Both reports Denied and are set to Invalid based on assumptions without providing pure evidence.

There is the Problem ^

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2636
was marked as invalid before the evidence was provided
I guess they just don't look into denied reports anymore, it's best to make a new one and actually include the proof in the main post

btw you'll also find an answer to most of your questions in the report comments
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=418
literally no hard proof in there at all from neither side

and did you read what have been said here?

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=418

Fenrir (fenrir)8 days ago

Second, if you look at the ticket history you will see that I initially confirmed the ticket. I asked daemon to take a second look at this ticket as he is the one who changed it to invalid.

and then again the previous post reply with evidence that attack power never scaled with consecration was absolutely ignored.

The respond and set to invalid was based to assumptions without proper evidences and sources given.

Other than that for the reports you are telling if we make "new topic" will end up as "duplicate" and automatic invalid similar like this :

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1368

Fenrir (fenrir)5 months ago
Please refrain from over dramatic statements regarding the severity of a bug. Currently consecration is scaling from AP and paladins are doing vastly higher AOE damage than they should be.

Also please search before creating bugs. I spend most of my "testing" time just clearing up duplicate bugs in the bug tracker.

And here we are back again with the post reply that was posted as evidence and completely ignored.

Thottbot 8th February 2006

http://web.archive.org/web/200602080934 ... /?sp=20924
(nobody mention attack power scale)

Wowwiki 2.0.1 patch note
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.0.1
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note)

®Blizzard Website with patch notes 2.0.1
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/2-0-1
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note).

®Blizzard Forum 2006 patch 1.12
http://web.archive.org/web/200611102258 ... 1828&sid=1
(Nobody say that scale with Attack Power)

®Blizzard Forum 2006 patch 1.9
http://web.archive.org/web/200603280851 ... post822324
(Pure evidence that Consecration should not scale with Attack Power)

Zalgradis (the legendary PVP Paladin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlA0aolJCYs
(Pure Evidence that Consecration does not scale with Attack Power)

(Protection Paladin) 8 Years ago video of tanking Vanilla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84OwHLAuQzc
(Pure Evidence that Consecration does not scale with Attack Power).

®Blizzard TBC Website Patchnotes 2.0.1
http://web.archive.org/web/200710091824 ... 2010.html#
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note)

[Dreez]

and did you read what have been said here?

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=418

Fenrir (fenrir)8 days ago

Second, if you look at the ticket history you will see that I initially confirmed the ticket. I asked daemon to take a second look at this ticket as he is the one who changed it to invalid.

and then again the previous post reply with evidence that attack power never scaled with consecration was absolutely ignored.

The respond and set to invalid was based to assumptions without proper evidences and sources given.

Other than that for the reports you are telling if we make "new topic" will end up as "duplicate" and automatic invalid similar like this :

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1368

Fenrir (fenrir)5 months ago
Please refrain from over dramatic statements regarding the severity of a bug. Currently consecration is scaling from AP and paladins are doing vastly higher AOE damage than they should be.

Also please search before creating bugs. I spend most of my "testing" time just clearing up duplicate bugs in the bug tracker.

there is no evidence in your 418 report at all, neither that it should nor that it shouldn't scale, comments not mentioning attackpower scaling does not mean that it actually didn't

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1368
CLEARLY is a duplicate of
http://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1160
http://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1159
so where's your problem with it being marked as duplicate?

to me it looks like you're being extremely overdramatic if the issue you care about doesn't get fixed immediately even though there hasn't been any proper report yet (an actual report, not a comment in an other report)

[smilkovpetko]

there is no evidence in your 418 report at all, neither that it should nor that it shouldn't scale, comments not mentioning attackpower scaling does not mean that it actually didn't

Thottbot 8th February 2006

http://web.archive.org/web/200602080934 ... /?sp=20924
(nobody mention attack power scale)

Wowwiki 2.0.1 patch note
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.0.1
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note)

®Blizzard Website with patch notes 2.0.1
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/2-0-1
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note).

®Blizzard Forum 2006 patch 1.12
http://web.archive.org/web/200611102258 ... 1828&sid=1
(Nobody say that scale with Attack Power)

®Blizzard Forum 2006 patch 1.9
http://web.archive.org/web/200603280851 ... post822324
(Pure evidence that Consecration should not scale with Attack Power)

Zalgradis (the legendary PVP Paladin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlA0aolJCYs
(Pure Evidence that Consecration does not scale with Attack Power)

(Protection Paladin) 8 Years ago video of tanking Vanilla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84OwHLAuQzc
(Pure Evidence that Consecration does not scale with Attack Power).

®Blizzard TBC Website Patchnotes 2.0.1
http://web.archive.org/web/200710091824 ... 2010.html#
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note)

You say that this is not an evidence?! Especially the Videos given ?!.

What is the evidence of them making invalid without given sources?


And no i am not making dramatic over issue fixing , i am making an issue of their denial based on Assumptions.



And back to the previous post :

Fingers mainly pointed at One-Handed Specialization.
Second Consecration.
Third Seal of Righteousness.

All 3 are most important for Protection Paladin to play.

None of them are fixed,proper investigated and are denied based on assumptions .

Without this 3 bugged abilities fixed Protection paladin is trash and junk.

The 3 bugs are crucial for our viability and tanking.

Those 3 bugs also affect every single paladin in game and is also Game breaking .

Instead focusing and fixing Class Issues they investigate and confirm some useless bugs in game such as mentioned :

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 40#p193062

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 50#p193079