Are nost devs focusing too little on fixing class bugs?

[Dreez]

Thottbot 8th February 2006

http://web.archive.org/web/200602080934 ... /?sp=20924
(nobody mention attack power scale)

nobody mentioning attackpower scaling =/= it didn't scale with it --> no hard proof

Wowwiki 2.0.1 patch note
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.0.1
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note)

nothing mentioned --> worthless

®Blizzard Website with patch notes 2.0.1
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/2-0-1
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note).

nothing mentioned --> worthless

®Blizzard Forum 2006 patch 1.12
http://web.archive.org/web/200611102258 ... 1828&sid=1
(Nobody say that scale with Attack Power)

nobody mentioning attackpower scaling =/= it didn't scale with it --> no hard proof

®Blizzard Forum 2006 patch 1.9
http://web.archive.org/web/200603280851 ... post822324
(Pure evidence that Consecration should not scale with Attack Power)

- wrong patch
- nobody mentioning attackpower scaling =/= it didn't scale with it --> no hard proof

Zalgradis (the legendary PVP Paladin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlA0aolJCYs
(Pure Evidence that Consecration does not scale with Attack Power)

give a timestamp where hard proof is visible, noone is going to watch 12 mins of paladin PvP

(Protection Paladin) 8 Years ago video of tanking Vanilla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84OwHLAuQzc
(Pure Evidence that Consecration does not scale with Attack Power).

give a timestamp where hard proof is visible, noone is going to watch 7 mins of that
also simply seeing consecration ticking =/= proof that it actually scales with spellpower

®Blizzard TBC Website Patchnotes 2.0.1
http://web.archive.org/web/200710091824 ... 2010.html#
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note)

nothing mentioned --> worthless

[smilkovpetko]

Thottbot 8th February 2006

http://web.archive.org/web/200602080934 ... /?sp=20924
(nobody mention attack power scale)

nobody mentioning attackpower scaling =/= it didn't scale with it --> no hard proof

Wowwiki 2.0.1 patch note
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.0.1
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note)

nothing mentioned --> worthless

®Blizzard Website with patch notes 2.0.1
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/2-0-1
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note).

nothing mentioned --> worthless

®Blizzard Forum 2006 patch 1.12
http://web.archive.org/web/200611102258 ... 1828&sid=1
(Nobody say that scale with Attack Power)

nobody mentioning attackpower scaling =/= it didn't scale with it --> no hard proof

®Blizzard Forum 2006 patch 1.9
http://web.archive.org/web/200603280851 ... post822324
(Pure evidence that Consecration should not scale with Attack Power)

- wrong patch
- nobody mentioning attackpower scaling =/= it didn't scale with it --> no hard proof

Zalgradis (the legendary PVP Paladin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlA0aolJCYs
(Pure Evidence that Consecration does not scale with Attack Power)

give a timestamp where hard proof is visible, noone is going to watch 12 mins of paladin PvP

(Protection Paladin) 8 Years ago video of tanking Vanilla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84OwHLAuQzc
(Pure Evidence that Consecration does not scale with Attack Power).

give a timestamp where hard proof is visible, noone is going to watch 7 mins of that
also simply seeing consecration ticking =/= proof that it actually scales with spellpower

®Blizzard TBC Website Patchnotes 2.0.1
http://web.archive.org/web/200710091824 ... 2010.html#
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note)

nothing mentioned --> worthless

You saw the irony here?

How they conclude that AP should scale with Consecration where nowhere is mentioned and never existed anywhere? . Assumptions?

The only patch note that is official given everywhere and blizzard website is 3.0. (lich king) , where in before it never scaled with attack power.

Regarding Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlA0aolJCYs

1:16 (with jotc) , 1:40 (without jotc) . With the gear the guy is using you will notice that did not scale with AP at all.

In Nostalrius today we witnessing over 80-90 dmg per tick with Green Gear.

[Dreez]

oh, we're making improvements:
a timestamp so the one looking through 8x shitty "evidence" doesn't have to watch 20 minutes of videos for nothing

great!

though all you see in this video is consecration dealing damage, he isn't equipping / unequipping attackpower items and showing the damage difference at all

provide proper damage calculations with
- proof of spellpower scaling value (there is enough)
- retail damage values and assumed calculations without attackpower scaling after counting spellpower on the gear of players in videos and the output consecration dmg
- nostalrius damage values, equip and unequip items with specific stats to reliably reproduce exact scaling amounts


once this is done, you can submit a bugtracker report as there is enough evidence provided and I'm sure they'll confirm it

[smilkovpetko]

oh, we're making improvements:

though all you see in this video is consecration dealing damage, he isn't equipping / unequipping attackpower items and showing the damage difference at all

You don't get it right ?

And what gear he used if it is not Attack Power Gear?!.......

This is reported for "consecration" that should not scale with AP.

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=418

And no It never scaled with Attack Power in Vanilla , nowhere is writing that , neither in any patch note , neither in any official Blizzard Website, neither in any formula written , neither in any theory website....

Thottbot 8th February 2006

http://web.archive.org/web/200602080934 ... /?sp=20924
(nobody mention attack power scale)

Wowwiki 2.0.1 patch note
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.0.1
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note)

®Blizzard Website with patch notes 2.0.1
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/2-0-1
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note).

®Blizzard Forum 2006 patch 1.12
http://web.archive.org/web/200611102258 ... 1828&sid=1
(Nobody say that scale with Attack Power)

®Blizzard Forum 2006 patch 1.9
http://web.archive.org/web/200603280851 ... post822324
(Pure evidence that Consecration should not scale with Attack Power)

Zalgradis (the legendary PVP Paladin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlA0aolJCYs
(Pure Evidence that Consecration does not scale with Attack Power)

(Protection Paladin) 8 Years ago video of tanking Vanilla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84OwHLAuQzc
(Pure Evidence that Consecration does not scale with Attack Power).

®Blizzard TBC Website Patchnotes 2.0.1
http://web.archive.org/web/200710091824 ... 2010.html#
(consecration no longer scale with AP doesn't exist on any patch note)

Proof is the links i gave. It is simple not existing in vanilla and nobody mention it nowhere.. Nostalrius denied it based to Assumptions without any proper source given.

[Dreez]

you still did not link a single hard proof, do the steps I provided you with and you'll get a confirmed report

else stop crying about stuff being marked as invalid lol

[smilkovpetko]

Dude you have no clue about bugs reporting when some ability doesn't work in the way it should.

you still did not link a single hard proof, do the steps I provided you with and you'll get a confirmed report

else stop crying about stuff being marked as invalid lol

How can you confirm when something "Never Exist" in Vanilla ?.

Your steps have nothing with Attack Power existence .

provide proper damage calculations with
- proof of spellpower scaling value (there is enough)
- retail damage values and assumed calculations without attackpower scaling after counting spellpower on the gear of players in videos and the output consecration dmg
- nostalrius damage values, equip and unequip items with specific stats to reliably reproduce exact scaling amounts

Now back to my previous post :

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 30#p189781

[Dreez]

Dude you have no clue about bugs reporting when some ability doesn't work in the way it should.

you still did not link a single hard proof, do the steps I provided you with and you'll get a confirmed report

else stop crying about stuff being marked as invalid lol

How can you confirm when something "Never Exist" in Vanilla ?.

Your steps have nothing with Attack Power existence .

provide proper damage calculations with
- proof of spellpower scaling value (there is enough)
- retail damage values and assumed calculations without attackpower scaling after counting spellpower on the gear of players in videos and the output consecration dmg
- nostalrius damage values, equip and unequip items with specific stats to reliably reproduce exact scaling amounts

Now back to my previous post :

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 30#p189781

you can prove it by making a formula for the expected retail vanilla behaviour (assuming all information you found is correct). Then add the values of the player's gear (seen in videos) and see if the result = the seen damage in the video.

Now that you have your formula simply compare it to what it is on Nost at the moment

then put all of that in a bug report and submit it

btw you could've done that 20x in the time we've been discussing

[smilkovpetko]

Dude you have no clue about bugs reporting when some ability doesn't work in the way it should.

you still did not link a single hard proof, do the steps I provided you with and you'll get a confirmed report

else stop crying about stuff being marked as invalid lol

How can you confirm when something "Never Exist" in Vanilla ?.

Your steps have nothing with Attack Power existence .

provide proper damage calculations with
- proof of spellpower scaling value (there is enough)
- retail damage values and assumed calculations without attackpower scaling after counting spellpower on the gear of players in videos and the output consecration dmg
- nostalrius damage values, equip and unequip items with specific stats to reliably reproduce exact scaling amounts

Now back to my previous post :

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 30#p189781

you can prove it by making a formula for the expected retail vanilla behaviour (assuming all information you found is correct). Then add the values of the player's gear (seen in videos) and see if the result = the seen damage in the video.

Now that you have your formula simply compare it to what it is on Nost at the moment

then put all of that in a bug report and submit it

btw you could've done that 20x in the time we've been discussing

Given that formula i got this as Reply :

Fenrir (fenrir)8 days ago

First of all, please calm down.

Second, if you look at the ticket history you will see that I initially confirmed the ticket. I asked daemon to take a second look at this ticket as he is the one who changed it to invalid.

In the first comment that I made on this ticket that was in response to your post about spell damage coefficients. Until I made that post, every comment that you made in this ticket was about spell damage coefficients. I asked you to make a new ticket for the spell damage coefficient because that is NOT the topic of this ticket. Rather than create a new ticket will your evidence on spell damage coefficients you went on a tirade and started spamming evidence about a completely different topic (and possibly by chance, this evidence is actually on the correct topic of this ticket).

I am not being hostile or ignoring what you post. I AM asking you to please post information in the correct bug tickets or create a new bug ticket if one does not exist. There are over 3000 bug tickets on this tracker, when I want to investigate consecrate spell power coefficients I am going to look for tickets on the topic of consecrate spell power coefficients NOT on the topic of consecrate scaling with attack power. I do not have time to look through all 3000 tickets to see if there are any comments on any tickets that are relevant to what I am investigating. I want you to post information on the correct tickets so that I don't have to waste my time looking for evidence online when you already spent the time doing that for me. I would much rather have all of the information you spent your time finding correctly categorized so that I can find it quickly and so that your time and effort has the biggest impact as possible.

Now because you still trash talking Dreez , Given Formula have nothing with Attack Power Existence.

[Holystrike]

If you havent noticed his goals or what he has been doing within this thread; I will briefly summarize it for you, he has been slowly but surely and intentionally derailing this thread which should be focused on the Isvv team not focusing on class related bugs, this is why I refused to reply to him...

I would suggest everyone report deez's posts he has now successfully derailed a thread which should be focused on the isvv team and their limited focus towards major bug reports. And now he has successfully transformed into a personalized debate based on his limited knowledge of anything.

I have just reported his posts... I urge you all to do the same

[Dreez]

cool story bro

but don't complain about bug reports not getting approved anymore if you don't give a shit about proper reporting

edit: as a reminder (underlined the important parts)

here's what you can do to change it:
- support every bugtracker report with retail evidence (videos with timestamp link)
- give them spell IDs
- add exact descriptions

This is 100% correct. I don't have limitless time to spend researching and confirming / denying reports. I, like the rest of the Nostalrius Staff, volunteer my time to the server and ultimately to the players. I typically prioritize those reports which provide the most information and the most feedback because those reporters obviously care about their issue and make my job easier. It motivates me to get that fix done faster. There are a lot of reports that essentially boil down to "This is broke, fix it please" but do nothing to provide me information on what exactly is broken and why you think it's broken.

I too am a player on the server and my class has bugs that sometimes annoy me too. My goal is to get to 100% accuracy while maintaining an exploit-free environment and a timeline that is enjoyable. If you think you can help move the server ahead and want to also volunteer your time, we are recruiting more IsVV staff and developers. IsVV applications can me PM'd to me and dev applications can be PM'd to Viper. You can find the desired formats for these applications on the announcement forums.

if you want to keep on bashing the staff for not approving bug reports you personally care about, go on reddit and join the "everything is bugged, shit server" - community