Vanilla is not the gospel

[pickysticks]

This is a suggestion to the community and the staff at Nostalrius- please stop holding vanilla up as the gospel.

I spent 5 minutes on this forum to look through some other peoples suggestions and peeked into two threads- one asking about the possibility of implementing an EXP block for twinks, and the other asking about dual talent specs. Both posters were met with individuals commenting entirely uncreative things such as:

"Play on a Wrath server."
"As much as I'd like this, it's not Vanilla so hell to the no."
"Not blizzlike.
/end"
"well you dont have to respec, also this is blizzlike server. thats what you signed for when you joined here, right? if not then feel free to change server, because thats not going to happen."

The first thing I'll point out is that Blizzard did not hit the mark with everything they had in place in Vanilla. They made mistakes, and we should not be clinging to them simply because thats the way it was.

The second thing I'll say is that if all you're going to comment is something like "Not blizzlike. /end," you really should not be browsing a suggestions forum. This is a place for people who will take the time to suggest and discuss ideas, not browse with our heads in our asses. This is not the right environment for stubborn people.

Third, I cannot help but feel that the people who are voicing opposition to these ideas are people who don't benefit in the first place from their implementation (nor would they actually suffer). To put it bluntly, raiding as one spec and wanting to PVP as another is a tremendous hassle in Vanilla WoW. Plain and simple. A lot of people don't have to worry so much about this- for tanks and healers this is another story.

If Nostalrius were to implement dual talent specs and EXP blocks I doubt the people preaching vanilla would notice the latter, and would probably grow to appreciate the former within a day or so when they realized it wouldn't actually kill them.

If all you have to say in response to a suggestion is "Play on a Wrath server," I really think you should just be banned from the discussion forums. If you're such a die-hard blizzlike fan I hope you're not using any addons, and I hope you're looking for a server with the original 2k player cap (or whatever amount it was) to play instead.

Vanilla didn't get everything right- Nostalrius should cater to classic sensibilities, but should respect that certain post-vanilla functionalities which only improved the game should be up for discussion, popular vote, and implementation.

Edit: I should add- what is the point of a suggestion forum to begin with if we're just going for a carbon copy of Vanilla? What is there to suggest but what was already implemented. Mightaswell just get rid of this subforum if this is how people are going to act.

[pinacolata]

Love this posts. The thing i dont like is why the admins of this forum dont give us ANY response about ANYTHING like in this posts, at least posting: mm we like this idea but cant do it because bla bla bla...... but the only thing they do on this forum is block a post that is against the rules, period.

[pickysticks]

at least posting: mm we like this idea but cant do it because bla bla bla......

Even though it doesn't sound constructive, I do agree that this is exactly what the suggestions forum needs. Insight and discussion as to why something wont work or will work. Not just "Not blizzlike. /end."

[Throe]

This server aims to be as blizzlike as possible in the Vanilla sense. Dual spec and exp block did not exist in Vanilla so therefore, they do not create a vanilla feel or vibe. A massive community in which you are forced to interact with players to complete objectives is a Vanilla aspect. This aspect was whittled away with each expansion; 40 mans turning into 25 mans, less outdoor bosses, 25 mans turning into 10 mans, LFD tool, less and less world pvp, flying mounts, etc.

A massive player base does not detract from the social and community aspect of WoW, it actually enhances it. While the "population cap" does not match blizzards standards, it still brings the same vanilla feel of community.

If you want Wrath features you SHOULD play on a Wrath server. This is Vanilla server with Vanilla features, and you're going to have to deal with it. At the end of the day this is their server and they're going to do what they want to do with it.

[pinacolata]

at least posting: mm we like this idea but cant do it because bla bla bla......

Even though it doesn't sound constructive, I do agree that this is exactly what the suggestions forum needs. Insight and discussion as to why something wont work or will work. Not just "Not blizzlike. /end."

yea i know it's not constructive but it really bugs me out the lack of response of the admins.

[pickysticks]

This server aims to be as blizzlike as possible in the Vanilla sense. Dual spec and exp block did not exist in Vanilla so therefore, they do not create a vanilla feel or vibe.

This is the exact attitude I'm trying to address. Whats the point of a suggestions forum if Nostalrius is only interested in becoming a 1:1 vanilla copy? No suggestions need be made for this.

A massive community in which you are forced to interact with players to complete objectives is a Vanilla aspect. This aspect was whittled away with each expansion; 40 mans turning into 25 mans, less outdoor bosses, 25 mans turning into 10 mans, LFD tool, less and less world pvp, flying mounts, etc.

A massive player base does not detract from the social and community aspect of WoW, it actually enhances it. While the "population cap" does not match blizzards standards, it still brings the same vanilla feel of community.

Do you realize that you've already contradicted yourself?

While the "population cap" does not match blizzards standards, it still brings the same vanilla feel of community.

Dual spec and exp block did not exist in Vanilla so therefore, they do not create a vanilla feel or vibe.

Regardless, I'm sure that if I spent a few minutes twisting words that I could justify the inclusion of DTS and EXP block into Nostalrius with regards to the Vanilla flavor, in the same way you have justified the population cap.

If you want Wrath features you SHOULD play on a Wrath server. This is Vanilla server with Vanilla features, and you're going to have to deal with it. At the end of the day this is their server and they're going to do what they want to do with it.

Why are you so stubborn as to insist we should deal with issues, instead of simply alleviating them in the first place? Its masochistic and it doesn't make you hardcore to grind out 50g every respec. It is their server, and these forums give them an opportunity to read their community and to make an informed decision on direction based on suggestions. When all you have to say with regards to a new suggestion is: "Dual spec and exp block did not exist in Vanilla so therefore, they do not create a vanilla feel or vibe," you arn't helping anyone.

[AverageJoe]

This is the exact attitude I'm trying to address. Whats the point of a suggestions forum if Nostalrius is only interested in becoming a 1:1 vanilla copy? No suggestions need be made for this.

The Suggestions forum is geared more so at the overall community (Including the forums) than just strictly the game server. The server does aim to be as blizzlike as possible which is one of its strongest draws. Many of the recent suggestions that have been implemented have focused more on the community than the game play (Items Marketplace forum for example).

[pickysticks]

This is the exact attitude I'm trying to address. Whats the point of a suggestions forum if Nostalrius is only interested in becoming a 1:1 vanilla copy? No suggestions need be made for this.

The Suggestions forum is geared more so at the overall community (Including the forums) than just strictly the game server. The server does aim to be as blizzlike as possible which is one of its strongest draws. Many of the recent suggestions that have been implemented have focused more on the community than the game play (Items Marketplace forum for example).

Fair enough. I do, however, still feel that there should be more dialogue regarding the implementation of what I and many others would consider to be obvious improvements made to the game post-vanilla.

[AverageJoe]

Fair enough. I do, however, still feel that there should be more dialogue regarding the implementation of what I and many others would consider to be obvious improvements made to the game post-vanilla.

I agree. I'm not saying non-blizzlike ideas should never be considered.

[Zeeb]

Nostalrius is obviously geared towards those who had played vanilla in the past and want to experience it once more. Its the little things that make vanilla, vanilla. Also why so much people play on Nostalrius.

Any changes would take away the true vanilla experience.