Need to implement PuG v PuG / Premade v Premade BGs.

[Diggot]

Its wsg weekend and i've ran for hours each day, and after the weekend i won ONE WSG.

This needs to end now, High ranked premades dodging eachother to be able to roadkill lowranked PuGs
for easy ranks. Not only does is discourage players from PvP and in some cases make them leave the
game because they ARE pvpers but don't fancy losing ALL THE TIME.. And when you ask around for
a premade, you're told they only accept Ranks around 10+... fully geared to the teeth.

So currently BGs are for premades only.. this was fixed in Vanilla later on, but the way things are going
now with highranked premades steamrolling pugs while avoiding enemy premades, we need this
implemented yesterday .

[killerpiranha]

I love to play prem vs prem when the grps are equal geared and u can tryhard and have some fun, pvp is my passion. But Diggot is right, pug vs prem the whole day is not enjoyable. The prems dodge each other to get faster honor, you can't blame them, they need the honor for ranks. I solo queued the whole day and it was 99% ally prems which means u can go afk. When AB pops after 30 min it's a freewin coz no allies are inside vs 10 hordes. The queue-system needs an overhaul asap. I actually even go afk in ab freewins because the motivation to play is 0 but u need the honor. Only fun is to play with a good prem but it also gets boring vs pug. The reward prem vs prem should be higher than pugging to make arranged BGs still possible and usefull but it should not be possible to play pug vs prem, this kills the pvp scene.

[Diggot]

This needs sorting out. A ton of players are sick and tired of getting steamrolled by Premade with 6-7 R14
when they can't do anything. But i've been told that the people in "charge" plays alliane and dont care
since they are doing teh steamrollin' .

Just now we ran a PuG AB and alliance had 7 Marshals and the rest was 10+... against a PUG .

Everyone just left, and the few who didn't, either hid or got farmed.

Is this "your" idea of a fun gameplay !?. Fun pvp ?.

[Aunstic]

This is coming from a guy who says being feared on a mount is gambreaking.
https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 835#p90835

Also go get your ex-r14 player to ramp up those premades in Destitution so you can stop complaining and start "doing teh steamrollin' "

[Diggot]

WTF does my opinion of getting feared while mounted have to do with Rank14 Premades farming
lowranked premades for free honor !?.

If this isn't wrong, then WHY WAS IT FIXED in Vanilla !?.

[Aunstic]

WTF does my opinion of getting feared while mounted have to do with Rank14 Premades farming
lowranked premades for free honor !?.

If this isn't wrong, then WHY WAS IT FIXED in Vanilla !?.

Saying that you're on a streak of complaints. If you're complaining about the premades requirement for rank, then start hosting your own.

Hell, take Nain's advice for the alliance if you don't want to be crushed against the premades. https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11068

Or just prove his point in the very same thread:

Anyways, a good portion of the decent and first players aren't around anymore, and what remains is clearly kids that reached 60 after a 2 month struggle with their autism.

I want the Alliance to weed out the AFKers and bads, and to back the Horde into a corner so they have no choice but to fight. The Horde won't create additional premades as a counter-measure.

[Pottu]

But i've been told that the people in "charge" plays alliane and dont care
since they are doing teh steamrollin'

This isn't true. Please do not spread baseless rumours.

[alex85eu]

This pb wont happen, but right now pvp simply doesn't happen very often in bg's . Premades from both sides dodging each other and farm pugs almost all day long .

Joining a premade is again not the answer since you wont pvp you just carry a flag and camp the other faction's gy . I did a few premades a few weeks back , but in my short time alliance premades either dodged us or just afk'd from start to get faster out to the next pug that they could farm, beyond pathetic .... This is what bg have come to.

I don't know what can be done but we are not pvping at the moment. At the least the premade dodging should stop since all premades do is farm pugs and in turn pugs almost never get into actual bg where they can pvp.

[Krom]

Do you want to hear a good one ?

One month ago, I was in an ab game, pugs vs NOPE premade. The very same NOPE premade wich had a 95% winrate by the time, 5 capping in 3 min or less duration matchs.
Of course (and like at least 10 of others hordies), I was planning to get afk near our rez point, when suddenly a GM whispered me ; "Are you planning to go afk ? Afking in battlegrounds is against our ToU".
As I really really loves this server (simply the best current Vanilla experience imo), I got very afraid at the moment and promised the GM not to afk furthermore, got away with a simple warning.

But deep inside, I was really like ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma3VvIYZGE4

The PVP on Nostalrius as pugs, on peaks hours, isn't simply enjoyable, even playable anymore. Premading stay very cool and can lead to greats moments, as much as playing bgs early in the morning/very late evening when premades are sleeping. Great for basement's people !
But at others times, you don't play to have fun. You play to get Honnor points. In fact, you don't even get honnor points. You're just standing in front of your computer, watching your beloved charachter die perpetually for nothing. Really nothing.
At thoses moments, I get the very same feeling than where I was grinding raids in LFR MoP.
I think a lot of people can relate.

[durabigael]

Easiest way to do it .... when you enter in BG , you loose the queue of the other bg. The dodging is the main problem here.