Dealing with exploiting raids

[Togin]

For the sake of the thousands of people playing without exploiting on this server I would like to suggest that the admins take a very heavy handed approach to exploiting, especially end-game content. People play for free on this server and nobody has a right to play. Playing on this server is a privilege, and part of that privilege was agreeing to the server’s terms and conditions (which included no exploiting). On retail, exploits were found from time to time and if guilds did abuse them they were banned and ill-gotten gains were removed. The top end guilds know these exploits when they see them, they know how to abuse them and they will abuse them. The only way to stop this is to send a very loud and clear message that if you do, you’re gone.

This is my suggestion for the admins:
1. Any guild caught exploiting in any way to clear end-game content should be banned for a period of 30 days.
2. Any character saved to the raid-id should be banned.
3. Repeat offenders should have the ban extended.
4. Loot received should be removed, if this is too difficult for the admins to identify items received on the offending raid simply remove random gear from characters saved to the raid-id, remember exploiting is a player action and the punishment should be a deterrent and should by right exceed the gain from the time they were caught. (you catch them once, and they likely did it 10 times before you caught them).

Punish these guilds so severely that the next time they find an exploit they report it and don’t abuse it. When I read a comment along the line of “the tank died, and the boss bugged so we killed him – everyone would do the same” it tells me there’s a cultural problem in these top guilds. The normal reaction to a boss bugging should be to wipe and come back and try again legitimately.

If content is bugged you should remove it until its fixed (this is another topic entirely though), its better to make guilds wait a month to kill a legitimate rag rather than let them farm loot on easy mode (this is ESPECIALLY true for BWL, if guilds get even a week in BWL where the content is too easy they will walk through much easier when you fix it).

TDLR: The server does not need top end guilds that get there by exploiting, if they leave they will be replaced. What the server does need is to know content is being cleared legitimately.

If the punishment is not great enough to deter these guilds from exploiting again the exact same thing will happen when BWL comes out. (Guilds will ‘dodge’ Chromag’s breath, I know for a fact this is the way every guild cleared BWL on ED the fight was NEVER done correctly).

[Gi01]

10000% agree

[BK2710]

+, there is no logical explanation why you would not punish them.
If you unintentionally break the law in a different country you will be persecuted either way.

[Hydra9268]

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F - Account closure / permanent ban : Most serious sanction. Permanent ban are rare but definitive.

Examples :
Possession of an item obtained with illegal methods
Advertising for other private servers,
Creation of another account to bypass a sanction applied on the first one,
Publishing a software, methods or articles on cheating which can be applied on the server,
Revealing the identity of a Nostalrius Begins staff member,
Selling an account or gold for real money,
Account hacking.
Organized killing for farming rank and/or honor,
Multi-account which strikes a blow to players,
Using bots.
Hacking.

Obtaining items through exploitative means breaks one class "F" rule.

• Possession of an item obtained with illegal methods

If people exploited raid content they should have their account closed and permanent banned. This means banning members of NOPE and GRIZZLY who appear to have exploited issues with Ragnaros for personal gain.

[BK2710]

funny that they would lose their MT because he got 2 t2 items from bugged bosses

[macgarthur]

It should be a permanent ban for anyone involved, no questions asked. They knew exactly what they were doing and repeated it, had they not been exposed they would have continued to do it indefinitely.

The raid and gold exploits will destroy the server fast, the game economy is already ruined because of this not to mention countless other imbalances directly related to these offenses. They need to clear this up.

[Togin]

funny that they would lose their MT because he got 2 t2 items from bugged bosses

Actually, not funny at all - they shouldnt have the loot in the first place and they know it. This post had nothing to do with any specific guild or person, i dont think any of these people should be perma-banned because the behavior has been so ubiquitous on private servers. A better way to handle this is to give them all a temp ban as a warning then perma-ban in the future.

Right now these guilds believe that exploiting brings greater benefit than not, its going to filter down and all guilds that follow will exploit and the server will become the new feenix. If the admins set a strong stance now all guilds that follow will follow that lead.

[BK2710]

+1

[Mulen]

not punishing exploits very hard.. = bad reputation for the entire server = hello feenix.. how are your reputation ?

[Wraith§Reaver]

+1

At the moment it would be at least enough remove all the items (and I mean EVERY SINGLE ONE) obtained from those exploited instances/raid.
The decision of ban or not, will be in the devs hands if they find it legit, case per case.

However I think the most suitable and sufficient punishment for those guilds, is already in place as of now, since their names were ridiculed on the forum, and above all, will not be easily removed from the mental "Wall of Shame" of all the legitimate and honest Nost players, and they'll be labeled instead as who hasn't been able to achieve nothing without duping/bug-abusing.
How do you say?
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind, right?
So, well, boast of your "inconsistent feat of strength", you've erned it.
I (and the majority of others players) play by the rules, not above the rules, so any personal achievement (even the useless one) is 10 times worth.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as each instance/raid is not properly fixed, it should not even exist all this cancerous talk of "XX Has cleared YY content first", cause it leads nowhere.

Regarding the other aspect, however, this does not mean that the fault of a few should fall on those who in those guilds are entered with the right mindset and spirit of honesty (that in another normal guild you should always take it for granted).
“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power.”
And about the latter (in my humble and useless opinion), they should leave/have already left those "not too clever" guilds once they become aware of what was happening inside, but they still remain completely innocent, so give a perma ban only to those who exploited/duped.

And please, at least once a month, clear the AH from things too suspicious and obvious as already mentioned in posts like this:
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