Free Talent Resets

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Free Talent Resets

by rcoop » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:44 am

One of my favorite things in Vanilla, and up to WotLK, has been the talent trees. They have really made it possible for people to customize their character accourding to their play style. I love being able to fool around with different combinations, seeing what combinations bring out the most dps, and what combinations have a better feel to them. It really brings out the uniqueness of each player's game style that we don't see in todays retail games, let alone WoW.

The one thing that dissapoints me about talents is that you have to pay so much for each reset, making it impossible for me to really try out all the different combinations that I would like to. This is something that I think should have never costed anything from the start. Paying for ones spells is more understandable, but paying for ones talent resets have always seemed obsurd to me. It just doesn't go with the flow of the game. It takes away from the freedom of play that is so great about WoW. This seems like such a small thing, but I think it really affects the game in a major way. It puts you in a prison in the way you play the game. This is something that if changed, would not effect the economy of the game, because it is such a minimal aspect of where gold goes, but would affect players freedom in a major way.

I think in creating a Vanilla server, you all should be more focused on bringing out the freedom in Vanilla that made it so great, other than copying what they did before. The reason WoW has become so boring is that it has become so structured and robotic. Don't just copy what Blizzard did when they first released WoW, but understand why it was so much better than what it has become today, and improve upon that. Which means more freedom, and less structure.

Please consider changing this, and please think about what I've said about improving the game as you all move forward. It makes a huge difference in the way you look at this project. If you aim to copy what Blizzard did, well, you will copy it, but if you aim to unearth what made Vanilla so great, then you will bring about something more beautiful than before.
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Re: Talent Resets

by rcoop » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:32 am

I've also been thinking about other aspects of the talent resets as well. When changing something in the game there are so many things to consider. One important aspect is role playing and lore, how the game fits into the world, how rules of the game affect the laws of nature in the world, and vice versa.

Paying to reset ones talents does not make sense to me from a role playing viewpoint. Talents are something that one developes on their own. When there is a change in your talents that needs to take place, you change it on your own, not pay someone else to make it happen. Even if a trainer had something to do with reseting your talents, wouldn't they want to encourage exploration and new ways of thinking? It makes a little more sense why a teacher would charge a disciple for learning spells, this is knowlege that they are passing down to you, but to charge for talents doesn't make any sense. Talents are things you yourself cultivate within yourself.
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Re: Talent Resets

by rcoop » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:48 am

I've also thought of what it would be like if you just lowered the price of reseting your talents, but I don't think it would work.

There are so many times I want to make a few changes and then go outside and test it out on some mobs. As an example, if you had to pay 1g each time you reset your talents, you would never have the chance to do this, the repeditive costs would climb up way too high, especially at lower levels.

At times, one might want to check out what a certain talent does, but it makes it much more difficult to do this when you have to pay each time. I'm sure a lot of people don't even understand how certain talents work until they actually use them, so how can somebody know forsure what talents to pick unless they have experienced each one? But as it is set up now, if you want to fully understand what each talent does, you have to go bankrupt.

Another aspect is the late game, in which there are multiple times you need to change your talents or spec. Some examples would be: switching from pvp to pve, switching specs for different bosses, refining your spec, and many more I'm sure other people could shed a light on.

I've tried to think of any cons that this change would have, but I haven't been able to think of any. I would love to hear other people's thoughts and experiences with this. Thanks for listening!
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Re: Talent Resets

by SnowFlakes » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:54 am

If you want anyone to read this you need to learn how to do paragraphs.
oh, ok.
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Re: Talent Resets

by Shiggs13 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:28 am

SnowFlakes wrote:If you want anyone to read this you need to learn how to do paragraphs.
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Re: Talent Resets

by Drooppi » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:54 am

I was actually surprised 2 other people would drop a message with no paragraphs, until I realised it was OP.
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Re: Free Talent Resets

by Garfunkel » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:23 pm

Not going to happen and that's a good thing in my book. This isn't "Vanilla WoW improved in some ways"-project, it's "Vanilla WoW as close to Blizzlike as we can make it"-project.
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Re: Free Talent Resets

by rcoop » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:47 pm

Garfunkel wrote:Not going to happen and that's a good thing in my book. This isn't "Vanilla WoW improved in some ways"-project, it's "Vanilla WoW as close to Blizzlike as we can make it"-project.

As soon as you try and copy something else, you lose the chance of something beautiful arising.
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Re: Free Talent Resets

by Garfunkel » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:01 pm

*lose
*beautiful
*arising

Technically it's not copying, it is emulating. In other words imitation, which is the highest form of flattery, as they say.
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Re: Free Talent Resets

by rcoop » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:16 pm

Why would you want to flatter them? All they have done is run their game into the ground, quality wise. (There's a reason why to flatter is so close to to flatten. If you look behind the words, you'll see that that's what's actually happening when you flatter someone.) If you really want to make the people who first came up with the idea smile, come up with something new yourself. (I'm not pointing at you in particular.)
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