Hating the player mentality

[TheRatKing]

AV is a battleground, meant to have battles and such you know. If you are playing AV to " farm pve bis epics. " Then process to cry about a turtle, or something else providing actual pvp. Remember that's what it is designed for and all. Your reasoning is beyond illogical. If a pve trink is bis, should my reaction be " I have to roll agaiant 6 other people if the item even drops! Fucking pve! Items should drop first time and I should win for pvp." See how silly it sounds the other way?

Tl:Dr pve nerds leave or just jump every few mins while watching Netflix and just shut the hell up.

[Proctologist]

AV is a battleground, meant to have battles and such you know. If you are playing AV to " farm pve bis epics. " Then process to cry about a turtle, or something else providing actual pvp. Remember that's what it is designed for and all. Your reasoning is beyond illogical. If a pve trink is bis, should my reaction be " I have to roll agaiant 6 other people if the item even drops! Fucking pve! Items should drop first time and I should win for pvp." See how silly it sounds the other way?

Tl:Dr pve nerds leave or just jump every few mins while watching Netflix and just shut the hell up.

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[The Shortest Path]

AV is a battleground, meant to have battles and such you know. If you are playing AV to " farm pve bis epics. " Then process to cry about a turtle, or something else providing actual pvp. Remember that's what it is designed for and all. Your reasoning is beyond illogical. If a pve trink is bis, should my reaction be " I have to roll agaiant 6 other people if the item even drops! Fucking pve! Items should drop first time and I should win for pvp." See how silly it sounds the other way?

Tl:Dr pve nerds leave or just jump every few mins while watching Netflix and just shut the hell up.

Alterac Valley was actually designed to give PvE players more gear options, sorry. Deal w/ it.

[Simonich]

But any reasonable person should be able to see turtling is ridiculous as fuck in any kind of game/sport, but especially in AV since you can literally put the game on complete pause, unless your whole 40 man raid is exceptionally bad."

Pause on pve, PvP keeps going on, and rep gains keep running from loots, while NPC assaults are being prepared. Don't be ignorant.

The fact that you say "pause on PvE" instead of just agreeing with the fact that it stalls the overall gameplay proves you are too biased to view this with any kind of objectivity at all. It also proves you were bullshitting when you made the claim that the rep is just as good in your 2 hour+ shitter games

Putting all PvP and PvE agendas aside, any reasonable person would agree with the fact that the ultimate end goal of AV is to win it, and to win it you gotta kill the enemy factions leader, and that won't happen when you got 40 people turtling their own base. As I mentioned earlier, putting 40 people on defense is a destructive approach to the game, You won't win it and you won't lose it, you simply waste time by playing a 10 year old game in an inefficient manner, why don't you start playing without proper keybinds and do backpaddles like back in the days, while you're at it? Follow your own advice and stop being ignorant.

What?

You basically just PvP till some productive players spawn some elites. Then you charge with the elite NPCs, and advance. And what you said doesnt make sense. What do you mean I'm bullshitting? How? Its indeed true tat the rep gains on turtles are like that. Yeah. What did I say to prove otherwise?

Every single player looted is worth 3-4 rep. Whereas you get 350 rep for killing the enemy general (extra rep comes mainly for having objectives).

The effective way to win is a 3-1 offense-defense ratio. Many mindless epic greeding people suggest a 1-0 ratio instead which means certain loss if enemy has any defense.

In addition some people turtle for gold, and its also really effective and PvP oriented.

As I said on a previous post, just see what happens. If a turtle occurs, thats what most people want

[Datruth]

You saying "Pause on PvE" implies turtles aren't worth it repwise, which contradicts your previous statement.

Also, why are you mentioning reps per kill? you do realize you can go for a quick win and still turn in stuff, right? One doesn't exclude the other, so your argument is invalid.

Anyways, I've been done with rep grinding for a while now so I don't give a shit at this point, I just have sympathy for the people who are stuck with the RPers and people who play in an inefficient manner just to "relive the nostalgia"

[Simonich]

You saying "Pause on PvE" implies turtles aren't worth it repwise, which contradicts your previous statement.

Also, why are you mentioning reps per kill? you do realize you can go for a quick win and still turn in stuff, right? One doesn't exclude the other, so your argument is invalid.

Anyways, I've been done with rep grinding for a while now so I don't give a shit at this point, I just have sympathy for the people who are stuck with the RPers and people who play in an inefficient manner just to "relive the nostalgia"

I never played retail vanilla.
Also apparently if everyone is turtling turn ins happen 4x faster. I'm just trying to tell you that turtling can have some good rep gain as well, so people won't have to whine about "no progress". Afterall , rep gain in AV is ridiculously fast. Whatever you do you still get it fast. And no you can't just "go and win" cause there's a chance to lose. Losing gets you nothing.

But as I stated and concluded on my previous posts AGAIN, if a turtle happens, that's cause most people caused it, cause that's what they wanted. Just look at my previous post