Why alliance only win BG when they are Premade Vs. Randoms?

[norm964bgb]

random vs random gives Horde a huge edge due to their OP racials. They tend to tear the Alliance apart.
Now a premade vs premade Horde would probably still win. Therefore Alliance needs to organize in order to overcme OP racials.

[lupeh]

Because theres alot of pve players that cry when they get killed make a thread about it on the forums

[Parwins]

I win all the time and I hardly premade.

I hardly use pots, I use silk bandages. I die to get my mana back. I use regular pets. I don't have brokentooth.

I am Dwarf and my one racial is the MOST over powered. I bound stone form because i use it so often. (I can't even count the number of extra frost resists i have had or the extra chests i have looted, and thanks to + guns i never miss.)

The only advantage Horde have over Alliance is the ally WSG GY, because it is too high and causes fall damage. But alliance have the bridge in AV, and stables GY in AB which is way too close to the ST flag.
Rez->arcane shot->stopped cap (time passed .01 seconds)

Maybe the fact the alliance are losing is because alliance enters bgs down 1-2 people. But I have won games down 1-2 people. So maybe the reason you are losing BGs is because you aren't trying hard enough to win.

[Imbaslap]

Paladins could be very useful in games like WSG. BoF a druid? Hell yeah!

Sadly, ret paladins are probably the worst class in the game in vanilla, and well beyond even that. It's crazy how long it took for blizzard to balance them...they were so bad it wouldn't be implausable that the devs despised the class, as illogical as it seems.

But I feel the real problem here are the horde racials. Orcs and UD are just too good.

TBC is where ret pallies have fun and go crazy. I never understood why people would roll ret pally on vanilla as it is not even optimized yet. even then, I never understood how it is fun playing a spec that has to rely on white hits to do damage, with little mana to even cast judgements, and no actual yellow attacks(crusader strike in TBC for example).

this is just my personal opinion though.

You are really clueless in TBC retri is useless you cant really gear there in pvp nobody will take you to arena
and resilience fuck them up they cant really reck bomb/one shot someone anymore
vanilla ret is fine all you need is to grind there is no skill required to get high warlord/grand marshal its just grind
also full retri spec is bad you need to go reckoning you can one shot someone in a stun

never said anything about arena kid, I only said ret pallies do not get any real yellow attacks until tbc.
which is much better than waiting on white hits or (reckoning procs) to do damage.
still a useless spec regardless of how you look at it tbc and vanilla pvp wise. atleast you get to pve as one in TBC for some time without being a complete carry. (hence the have fun and go crazy)

even with gear, ret pallies still cannot do what a warrior can, no MS debuff, no real tools except waiting for a silly rogue to hit you a couple times to save up reckoning procs that are already capped at a set amount. lets not forget a holy priest could solo you by mana burning you to death when you cant even pop a PWS. then you're even more useless.

[SonOfDad]

Paladins could be very useful in games like WSG. BoF a druid? Hell yeah!

Sadly, ret paladins are probably the worst class in the game in vanilla, and well beyond even that. It's crazy how long it took for blizzard to balance them...they were so bad it wouldn't be implausable that the devs despised the class, as illogical as it seems.

But I feel the real problem here are the horde racials. Orcs and UD are just too good.

TBC is where ret pallies have fun and go crazy. I never understood why people would roll ret pally on vanilla as it is not even optimized yet. even then, I never understood how it is fun playing a spec that has to rely on white hits to do damage, with little mana to even cast judgements, and no actual yellow attacks(crusader strike in TBC for example).

this is just my personal opinion though.

Where are you going with this? Horde have the exat same thing, the enhancement shaman. At least ret paladins get shit like Pursuit of Justice, LOH, BOP, BOF, Divine Shield, and Repentance.

Ever see an enhancement shaman close a gap? Neither have I.

#NoSympathy

[Imbaslap]

atleast you can spam purge a target and allow it to get rekt by your team. (flag carriers getting hots and bubbles)

all of those ret pally abilities like I said get hard countered by priest and frost mage. you're better off going holy and supporting a warrior.

regardless though, I see more ret pallies in a bg then enhancement shamans. Horde already counters the ret pallys with the 1 million mages and locks. so who cares.

[uhd]

Paladins could be very useful in games like WSG. BoF a druid? Hell yeah!

Sadly, ret paladins are probably the worst class in the game in vanilla, and well beyond even that. It's crazy how long it took for blizzard to balance them...they were so bad it wouldn't be implausable that the devs despised the class, as illogical as it seems.

But I feel the real problem here are the horde racials. Orcs and UD are just too good.

TBC is where ret pallies have fun and go crazy. I never understood why people would roll ret pally on vanilla as it is not even optimized yet. even then, I never understood how it is fun playing a spec that has to rely on white hits to do damage, with little mana to even cast judgements, and no actual yellow attacks(crusader strike in TBC for example).

this is just my personal opinion though.

You are really clueless in TBC retri is useless

You have no idea what you're talking about

[SonOfDad]

atleast you can spam purge a target and allow it to get rekt by your team. (flag carriers getting hots and bubbles)

all of those ret pally abilities like I said get hard countered by priest and frost mage. you're better off going holy and supporting a warrior.

regardless though, I see more ret pallies in a bg then enhancement shamans. Horde already counters the ret pallys with the 1 million mages and locks. so who cares.

If u can't kill a mage as a paladin, u should uninstall right now.