Hating the player mentality

[Xef]

I guess a bridge standoff was fun the first couple of times, but for me personally as a PvE focused player, it gets old really quickly. You can't really hate on PvE players for wanting to get their BiS items, can you?
Take casters for example, the offhands in MC are garbage compared to the AV ones.
PvE players will continue to infest PvP battlegrounds for a long time, welcome to vanilla mate.

Besides, the objective is to win (duh) and that is simply not possible if one team refuses to open up.
40 players vs 40 players + insanely strong NPCs is a one sided battle.

It's not about that (the bolded bit), it's about how they behave in AV

[Arael]

About turtling, you find more resistance from ally NPC than players.

It is worse now, about 10-15 ppl join only for herbs and mine nodes...

I prefer to remember AV like it used to, a place of war, not the abomination it has become.

[Simonich]

Just leaded an AV. We won in 2 hours, and we lost only galv and iceblood tower.
1700 rep was gained in that battle (for me). I think this is equivalent to 40 minute rushes of 500 rep gain, (but rushes have 50% chance to succeed)

We can all be happy if people also do pvp or at least gather items to contribute rather do pvp themselves. Cause even through turtle the rep gain can be pretty good, if everyone turns in stuff and helps in spawning reavers/riders/icelord

[Datruth]

I guess a bridge standoff was fun the first couple of times, but for me personally as a PvE focused player, it gets old really quickly. You can't really hate on PvE players for wanting to get their BiS items, can you?
Take casters for example, the offhands in MC are garbage compared to the AV ones.
PvE players will continue to infest PvP battlegrounds for a long time, welcome to vanilla mate.

Besides, the objective is to win (duh) and that is simply not possible if one team refuses to open up.
40 players vs 40 players + insanely strong NPCs is a one sided battle.

It's not about that (the bolded bit), it's about how they behave in AV

Yea, whenever there is a conflict of interests in online games people start shit talking, and I can guarantee you that it always goes both ways, the ones that doesn't turtle are probably the most vocal ones in this case, because they are the ones not getting it their way.

But any reasonable person should be able to see turtling is ridiculous as fuck in any kind of game/sport, but especially in AV since you can literally put the game on complete pause, unless your whole 40 man raid is exceptionally bad.

[Böw]

Just saying the serious PvE players need gear from AV and all you little kids turtling are wasting all of the big boys' time.

[Ryvout]

There is a difference between tactical defense and turtling. Tactical defense is placing a minimal force in the rear to defend and slow down the advance of the opposing faction while the offense pushes to end the game. Turtling is placing a large force in the rear that has the sole intention of honor/rep farming with no actual intention of winning the game.

Just saying the serious PvE players need gear from AV and all you little kids turtling are wasting all of the big boys' time.

All the big boys have the gear they want already. Most got it the first weekend.

[gotmilk0112]

did you ever think that maybe

just maybe

some people don't like 16-hour AV turtles

[Hammersplat]

But any reasonable person should be able to see turtling is ridiculous as fuck in any kind of game/sport, but especially in AV since you can literally put the game on complete pause, unless your whole 40 man raid is exceptionally bad.

I don't think anyone is trying to turtle on purpose or even wants to. The game is just designed to make that happen at the moment.

[heradura]

And if Horde has been aggressively turtling so hard lately it's just a preventative measure to avoid being farmed at the bridge. Alliance recalls and turtles as soon as SPGY is taken. If Horde doesn't push hard enough fast enough they're generally fucked--unless the AOEers go full allahu akbar over and over again from the GY and/or north bunker is down, then there's a chance... if people will actually listen.

wtb premade

[Simonich]

did you ever think that maybe

just maybe

some people don't like 16-hour AV turtles

Did you ever think that some people maybe like some lasting AVs? This is what I'm talking about people being ignorant. I earned the same rep in a 2hr battle you could earn in 3 40min battles (that have less chance to win). Only tho we had to do PvP which is fun and you only killed npcs. Everyone has their own way of seeing AV.

Just saying the serious PvE players need gear from AV and all you little kids turtling are wasting all of the big boys' time.

This is people being selfish. Who said your time is more important than us? How about we all have fun while you have to unfortunately PvP to get those items, or at least contribute to make some NPCs spawn that will attack the enemy base, and still get the same good (maybe better) Rep than rushing and making it pve.

Devs recently implemented some things just to discourage us to rush. And also made NPC spawns repeatable to encourage turtling (thanks to my bug reports)


"But any reasonable person should be able to see turtling is ridiculous as fuck in any kind of game/sport, but especially in AV since you can literally put the game on complete pause, unless your whole 40 man raid is exceptionally bad."

Pause on pve, PvP keeps going on, and rep gains keep running from loots, while NPC assaults are being prepared. Don't be ignorant.