(A) GDKP Onyxia run!

[Aslan]

Hey

Weirdest bidding system that I have seen in a long time, it basically allows people to push each other up endlessly, if 1 guy types his confirmation to bid, this is a free-pass for anyone else to type 'X' aswell. The result? If nobody bids higher, the first guy for whatever reason gets the item, the guy pushing higher is never in danger of actually having to buy.
Like in any conventional bidding system you are in danger of the other guy passing when you push him up, thats not the case in yours, I would just endlessly bid as 2nd guy and wait for everyone to give up + face no consequences just to get the maximum gold out of my split.

Is it so hard to make people type numbers that they want to pay and randomly check in a trade window if they got the gold?

Cheers

[Dusith]

Agree with Aslan, the budding system is flawed. Just let people bid like normal auctions.

[smilkovpetko]

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=771&hilit=gdkp&start=50

by smilkovpetko » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:45 pm

Alright seems the same propaganda here like in p...x.

Let me enlighten you what will happen :

1.Crafting Gear from Professions will Devalue to 0 point (useless) .

2.With that crafting Gear all this "mining,skinning,tailoring" . Goes down too (with minor exception of Tailoring).

3.World Drops will Devalue to 0 point (useless).

4.Consumes will start skyrock with price since farmers will get reduced. (people will 90% choose to farm gold from GDKP)

5.Preraid requirement would slowly become a Gold requirement. (we don't care about gear,show your gold).

6.Other Alternative to GDKP will be wiped out and it will remain only system.

7.Items will become Expensive so People would have to farm Gold for Gear instead Gold for Consumes.

8.Scammers would be all around , some leaders will also scam 5% from each pot legally "which could go high number".

9.There is no real Evidence of what will happen (gold trade or mailbox) since it would affect 40 People.

10.Leaders will request "example" : show 10 000 gold if you want to join us. (this was example).

11.People will become Solo and the attitude will get changed to more toxic instead team spirit depend. (lfr blizzard way).

12.Leaders of Pugs are Allowed to "Goldban" people for minor mistake or anytime he wish for if he feel and this is making him profit from that person more.

13.People would stop worry about fun and progressing , they would all "gold,gold,gold".

14.Low Geared People will never be allowed to step in Raid except gold showing. (this make that people leave server).

15.Some Rich "Green Geared" will do High End Raid and get this Gear immediate and fast while 100 others wont be able to step in High End.

16. All Casual and Progressive Guilds Risk getting Wiped out completely and only "Hardcore" will Remain.


- Keep in Note all this happen before in F....x - and i already have that experience .
- Only one who benefit from GDKP are Fully High End Geared by the cost of 90% of overall Population.
- Everyone else Risk leaving Server because of the mention Reasons once there is a choice to do.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=771&hilit=gdkp&start=50#p122172

by smilkovpetko » Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:07 am

PriestInOurTime wrote:

- Only one who benefit from GDKP are Fully High End Geared by the cost of 90% of overall Population.

This just doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't the remaining 90% make their own raids? Why wouldn't the people without gold progress like normal, as if the GDKP raids weren't there? I'd venture a guess that the real reason most probably was a lack of players willing to lead progression raids. The amount of players willing to raidlead content often dries up fast. And then all of a sudden the only alternative left are the few runs that still has leaders, the GDKP runs.

Thinking that if there were no GDKP runs all of a sudden the experienced raid leaders would instead lead progression runs is not realistic, so why would disallowing GDKP improve the situation exactly? I'm not saying that we will not see the amount of progression guildruns go down and the server eventually die off at some point after all content has been cleared. I just don't think that the GDKP are the cause of it. Rather the prevelence of GDKP/Boostruns and lack of anything else is just one of the symptoms of a server that no longer has any injections of new content.

At that point I'd hope that a second server would be opened, and we can start over again. Nostalrius Season 2 if you will. Perhaps with all content availible right away, that would be a most interesting experiment.

There is a reason for this :

1.Many people can't fit in the complex of counting , working proper while leading the raid and doing the "gold calculations/distribution" (i tak overall view) include here also scammers that will scam 40 people gold instead "one pity item".

2.Only few people who understand perfect this system will be able to do raids.

3.There will be opening of "ninja people or trustful/untrustful leaders bad/good leaders" list which unlikely for some mistake many will fill inside this list and will cause only these few people able to lead instead everyone.

4.There will be no alternative to this GDKP since everyone will choose to do it and those people who are unable to fit in the complexity of the system won't be able to lead raids or pugs.

5. It make sense why remaining 90%, its because people will always choose to join "trustful" GDKP leaders by high end guilds only and high end geared only .

6. Meanwhile progressive guilds/casual guilds will go down and this will leave only "hardcore high end" and this is connection among number 5. (there will not be lot more choice) .

7. Why shall we turn this server in PUG's run instead Guild's runs?.

8.I would given you whole situation what has happened before and experience about it with evidences but i am afraid i can't do that because it will end up "server advertisement" . (need approval by Admins to post screenshots with examples).

9.It will destroy server and i am 100% positive in that and this will cost 1-2 years amount of time so please don't (saying from personal experience) .

10.High End people can always switch to level new alternative character when they clear everything and there is no real reason to see them "farming gold" beside "selling that gold" when they got full bis gear.

11. New people in server will not be able to fit in this system because they will need to farm tons of gold in order to join raid or get at least few pieces of gear.

12.Meanwhile Gold is split but New Players still waste gold on gear and consumes while High End gear keep their Gold because they wont even need to use consumes . (this will cause strong damage to economy inbalance). (few people will become enormous rich while everyone will remain on the bottom).

- Anyway i agree with your idea , let make "new nostalrius" server with all contents available and go see the experiment then tell me how many points i have said will become realistic within 6-8 months - .

[Garneet]

@smilkovpetko

We are not playing on a server where staff was the bigest part on infation in the market so dont spread that bullshit. The reson the server Warsong as you are refering to betvine the lines got to the point as it got to was staff offering the option to BUY level 60 char and add ASMUCH gold you like to it for a fee in the same prosses.

[smilkovpetko]

@smilkovpetko

We are not playing on a server where staff was the bigest part on infation in the market so dont spread that bullshit. The reson the server Warsong as you are refering to betvine the lines got to the point as it got to was staff offering the option to BUY level 60 char and add ASMUCH gold you like to it for a fee in the same prosses.

And who mention the inflation in the market ?
Don put words in my mouth .

I said imbalance economy . This have 0 connection to inflation .

[Garneet]

Alright seems the same propaganda here like in p...x.

Let me enlighten you what will happen :

1.Crafting Gear from Professions will Devalue to 0 point (useless) .

2.With that crafting Gear all this "mining,skinning,tailoring" . Goes down too (with minor exception of Tailoring).

3.World Drops will Devalue to 0 point (useless).

4.Consumes will start skyrock with price since farmers will get reduced. (people will 90% choose to farm gold from GDKP)

[smilkovpetko]

Alright seems the same propaganda here like in p...x.

Let me enlighten you what will happen :

1.Crafting Gear from Professions will Devalue to 0 point (useless) .

2.With that crafting Gear all this "mining,skinning,tailoring" . Goes down too (with minor exception of Tailoring).

3.World Drops will Devalue to 0 point (useless).

4.Consumes will start skyrock with price since farmers will get reduced. (people will 90% choose to farm gold from GDKP)

And what does that matter with Gold Inflation ???

Inflation is when someone stamp too many gold from quest,loot,drops,increasing overall amount of gold in server etc .

I have never said that "server stamp or increase gold by adding more gold overall" .

The system has nothing with "gold stamp" or adding more gold to overall server population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_imbalances

What was mention there was the "Economy Imbalance" when prices are switch (some devalue too much and some got high too much)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation

The term "inflation" originally referred to increases in the amount of money in circulation,[29] and some economists still use the word in this way. However, most economists today use the term "inflation" to refer to a rise in the price level. An increase in the money supply may be called monetary inflation, to distinguish it from rising prices, which may also for clarity be called "price inflation".[30] Economists generally agree that in the long run, inflation is caused by increases in the money supply

[Garneet]

You must be abit slow if you take experience from a gold infated server an trying to implement the bad things that comes with it into an argument/why it is bad with gdkp. An inflation will never happend on this server nor will it show on the market with an "unbalaned market" sins it will allways be limited gold on a server like Nostalrius so about 60% or your shit post is not valid for a server like Nostalrius.

And the other 40% of your posts are just a way to scare ppl away from it saying "gdkp leaders/carrys are greedy fucks that will steal your gold" . All i take from this is that you got buttfuckt on Warsong and have some strange addiction to take it out on a new server.

[smilkovpetko]

You must be abit slow if you take experience from a gold infated server an trying to implement the bad things that comes with it into an argument/why it is bad with gdkp. An inflation will never happend on this server nor will it show on the market with an "unbalaned market" sins it will allways be limited gold on a server like Nostalrius so about 60% or your shit post is not valid for a server like Nostalrius.

And the other 40% of your posts are just a way to scare ppl away from it saying "gdkp leaders/carrys are greedy fucks that will steal your gold" . All i take from this is that you got buttfuckt on Warsong and have some strange addiction to take it out on a new server.

You still try to put words in my mouth ... Inflation i never mention and will never happen.

Economy imbalance will only happen :

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29371&start=10#p206082

I understand that you are from "High End Guild/s" , which are the mainly who will benefit from the system.

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by smilkovpetko » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:45 pm

10.Leaders will request "example" : show 10 000 gold if you want to join us. (this was example).

Topic Creator :

YOU: Pre raid BiS or better. At least 150g, which will be verified using trade window. Know the fight!

8.Scammers would be all around , some leaders will also scam 5% from each pot legally "which could go high number".

Topic Creator :

Gold is spit at 95% among raid.




And my last message is :

Why should we make this server into something that is not yet .
And there the current situation is extraordinary and great for everyone.

Once this system comes out , it will spread like plague and there is no way back, stop it now before it is too late or the server will be completely wiped out .

[stif]

why do you wana fck up the server with gdkp ?
+ this will increase the gold sellers so nostalrius dev team should ban these gdkp