AV need to be released asap

[Jarty]

so why not just make or join a premade, they are made for a reason

[grizlyus]

Organised? no shit skilled? haha what are u 12? premade vs randoms is skill ? AHAHA

Organized maybe/maybe not as most not guild exclusive prems don't use voice chat, but the average person queuing with others is more skilled than the average pugger. Not saying that much, but let's be honest.

Not true at all you base that on what ? their pvp rank ? naturally if you do a premade you gonna get shitload of honor and have higher rank

for example one of the top premades from alliance have a Lieutenant Commander keyboard turner mage its pretty obvious the way he move its hilarious to see people still keyboard turning after 10 years

They have the same strategy every game druid FC with paladins to spam heal and freedom while shadow priest & rogue defend people on horde side just go AFK when they face this alliance premade
do you really find that enjoyable pvp ?


and no they don't have any more skill than the average puger its the biggest bullshit i ever heard the only reason they win is because they are in a dedicated team using teamspeak

if you feel skilled for beating a pug in a premade i feel sad for you

[Simonich]

Organised? no shit skilled? haha what are u 12? premade vs randoms is skill ? AHAHA

Organized maybe/maybe not as most not guild exclusive prems don't use voice chat, but the average person queuing with others is more skilled than the average pugger. Not saying that much, but let's be honest.

Not true at all you base that on what ? their pvp rank ? naturally if you do a premade you gonna get shitload of honor and have higher rank

for example one of the top premades from alliance have a Lieutenant Commander keyboard turner mage its pretty obvious the way he move its hilarious to see people still keyboard turning after 10 years

They have the same strategy every game druid FC with paladins to spam heal and freedom while shadow priest & rogue defend people on horde side just go AFK when they face this alliance premade
do you really find that enjoyable pvp ?


and no they don't have any more skill than the average puger its the biggest bullshit i ever heard the only reason they win is because they are in a dedicated team using teamspeak

if you feel skilled for beating a pug in a premade i feel sad for you

they use teamspeak (really unecessary imo, just use chat), nothing that you cant do.
they got noob mage, but are they all noobs? if they were they would lose, simple logic.

They have few skilled or overgeared players.

But actually, just stop being mad and make your own premade of overgeared/skilled players if you want to succeed. That's how it works

[nervous]

Not true at all you base that on what ? their pvp rank ? naturally if you do a premade you gonna get shitload of honor and have higher rank

for example one of the top premades from alliance have a Lieutenant Commander keyboard turner mage its pretty obvious the way he move its hilarious to see people still keyboard turning after 10 years

They have the same strategy every game druid FC with paladins to spam heal and freedom while shadow priest & rogue defend people on horde side just go AFK when they face this alliance premade
do you really find that enjoyable pvp ?


and no they don't have any more skill than the average puger its the biggest bullshit i ever heard the only reason they win is because they are in a dedicated team using teamspeak

if you feel skilled for beating a pug in a premade i feel sad for you

I said they're generally more skilled than the average pugger. What you described with paladins supporting and shadow priest&rogue defending is proof of "more skill". I'll generally consider a paladin who freedoms the FC/warrior with arc reaper/etc more skilled than say the Uther420blazeit retadin#87 who freedoms himself with his Destiny world epic drop to try and kill the frost barrier mage. I guarantee you the shadow priest (who I think you're describing is psyfe?) is more skilled than the average priest on alliance.

I feel sad for you that you have to tell me how you think I feel in order to win arguments.

[riq and snog]

Thank you nostalrius for making me smile each day with very unique flame whine or pointless threads like this... people even after 10 years still take this shit so serious...

[Cornholi]

Honestly, I just want them to release AV, not because of premades but because it's my favorite bg, I don't even understand why it's not released already. It's "suppose" to be ready.

[Collapxed]

are there even alliance pugs? only seeing keyboardturner premades raping pugs ...sad but true:3

[grizlyus]

Not true at all you base that on what ? their pvp rank ? naturally if you do a premade you gonna get shitload of honor and have higher rank

for example one of the top premades from alliance have a Lieutenant Commander keyboard turner mage its pretty obvious the way he move its hilarious to see people still keyboard turning after 10 years

They have the same strategy every game druid FC with paladins to spam heal and freedom while shadow priest & rogue defend people on horde side just go AFK when they face this alliance premade
do you really find that enjoyable pvp ?


and no they don't have any more skill than the average puger its the biggest bullshit i ever heard the only reason they win is because they are in a dedicated team using teamspeak

if you feel skilled for beating a pug in a premade i feel sad for you

I said they're generally more skilled than the average pugger. What you described with paladins supporting and shadow priest&rogue defending is proof of "more skill". I'll generally consider a paladin who freedoms the FC/warrior with arc reaper/etc more skilled than say the Uther420blazeit retadin#87 who freedoms himself with his Destiny world epic drop to try and kill the frost barrier mage. I guarantee you the shadow priest (who I think you're describing is psyfe?) is more skilled than the average priest on alliance.

I feel sad for you that you have to tell me how you think I feel in order to win arguments.

I don't think you understand what skill mean in games
Outplaying someone in fair grounds is Skill

premade vs bunch of randoms with afkers is not skill

i have never seen any player of any premade doing anything out of the oridnary i have seen players from pugs who are much more impressive

i am done arguing with you if you think paladin who use freedom on FC is skill and hard thing to do then i should not waste my time here anymore

@Simonich
i see you are only lvl 38 from your sig and you are horde one thing you don't know is alliance at level 60 get instant qu while horde get 30 minutes qu 15 minutes at apex times

while u can do premade at horde still its not the same as it is for alliance you will get 1 game per hour
while alliance get instant q

the only time u have challenge playing premade is when facing another premade and then its just turn to be RBG. Vanilla pvp is all about random pvp if i wanted to have competitive pvp i would just play retail or TBC/Wotlk where all this skilled premade players would get destroyed i bet they would sit around 1600 -1700 rating judging by how they are playing here

[Allora]

mate it sounds like u got shat on

[Membraniac]

I think a point is being missed here. Keep in mind I'm not level cap so I can't speak to how often horde get paired against the particular premade you're talking about, but I have had experience with premades before. Yes, the premade probably has better gear by virtue of having farmed so much honor from the number of games and HKs they get. Yes, a premade player taken at random will likely be better than a pug of the same class taken at random, since caring about victory enough to take a little time to organize is indicative of the competitive min/maxing attitude (this also makes it less likely there will be AFKers for every spot you fill this way). But the main advantage premades have is the ability to control their class composition. If I extrapolated the demographics from horde side I've seen so far, a horde pug will likely be full of shamans and rogues, with a smattering of all the other classes (which will mostly be mages). Having a dedicated tank as well as several pocket healers is invaluable. Mix that with cycling through DPS teammates and sticking with the best performers and you've got yourself a team that is very hard to beat. Then, if you add on top of all that the fact that their team is probably all in the same voice chat channel, it's a wrap. It is not feasible to expect a pug to join your channel because even if your team isn't lazy and they understand English, they still have to have had the voice chat service already downloaded and people use different ones.

However, I don't have to have direct experience to know for a fact that the 60 pop is too small to consider fracturing the queues between premades and non. There's plenty of PvP guilds recruiting. You don't even have to join, just find out who their best/most active players are and add them to your friend list. Make your own premade, and have no other reason to complain aside from the 50% loss rate against other premades.