Here is what Kronos offers:
Less than Blizzlike experience. (limiting respecialization cost to 10g is but one example)
Donation rewards (mounts)
Ability to buy and sell max-level characters
Here is what Nostalrius offers:
As Blizzlike an experience as possible (gear stats specific to certain patches throughout progression, realistic patch progression, among other things)
No donation rewards or vote rewards of any kind. You cannot pay to gain an advantage.
Server based in France. North American players will have much better connection.
There are many more things in Nostalrius's favor, but I don't have the time to look them up at the moment.
Convince Me.
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Re: Convince Me.
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Shadowlurk
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Re: Convince Me.
Dear OrangeTheLord,
I value your efforts to put Nostalrius into a correct light, even though I mostly disagree with your reddit post. In the following statement I make some remarks to your work but please don't feel offended by them, they are just simple observations and shall not serve to discredit you in anyway, only to reflect some aspects.
First to your post there:
1) I don't think the core community around here is immature and your false view is only because you are here for such a short time. 2 Weeks ago, this place was the home to maturity. Now the hype is there, a lot of people are attracted and that is good. Some of them don't bring the right attitude and I agree with you there, but this was to be predicted. If Kronos would have set launch date first, those people where over at Kronos now, but since they haven't, they are now here. To really evaluate the statements of people, just look at their registration date in the forum and you will see that most people who are here longer than a 3 weeks, are the people that only want the best vanilla server, be it Nost or Kronos. They surely have an opinion but they are not lying as you suggest.
2) The censor thing is simply wrong, as you know from the comments in the reddit thread, still YOU are spreading lies about "censorship" here. There has never been an deleted Account or deleted post here and the question of "censorship" was never before raised. I don't know about Kronos forum (very well) and I only heard (a lot) of rumors that censorship there is a more vital discussion topic.
3) Matter of auctions
Account selling will happen anyway, we agree. For reasons also mentioned in the comments over there, I agree that selling accounts is principally not good. So I personally like people to be afraid of being scammed, because this might hinder (some) people to buy Accounts and principally they deserve to be scammed (ok, that's very harsh). They should level as anybody else and buying Accounts was a problem in vanilla WoW but "Instant LvL x" was never intended by Blizzard.
Now to the question why Nost is better.
Heck, most people don't know if Nost is better, because they didn't play both servers and those who do have a mostly biased opinion. When I look at the Kronos forum, I also see people spreading lies as shit, pretending the test where no success, when they where. But that is not the matter for me. I don't pick on the bad apples over there (like you do here, no offense meant!, see point 1).
For me there is only one reason why Nost seems to be better and that is that the devs have a damn clear view of what they are doing. They simply said: "We think we are good to go, we will test PVP, than have two PVE session, than a Hack session and then look farward to release." And hell, that's what they are doing. They are mature and competend developers that actually have project experience. This thread should convince you (starting at the post from Viper on first page). This is just not from what I am seeing over at Kronos. They don't meet deadlines, have little progress and the dev's don't focus on development but also do community work, when it's actually time to code. But please, read the thread.
This doesn't in anyway proof that Nost > Kronos and nothing will, until we have Nost up and running (and of cause can compare it to Kronos). Everyone dedicated to vanilla and is not too angered about the other community (a purpose you sadly enforce), will join the best vanilla server, be it Nost or Kronos. And that is from someone who never posted a word on Kronos forum (of cause I read it), is not liking most of the people over there and has dedicated a LOT of work in this forum (simply check my posts).
/Edit: Since you claim to be unbiased, I'd like you to remove the statement that there's censorship here, because it a bare misinformation (as you know since you posted here more then once now^^).
Furthermore I hope that the best server (and of cause the best argument) will win you
I value your efforts to put Nostalrius into a correct light, even though I mostly disagree with your reddit post. In the following statement I make some remarks to your work but please don't feel offended by them, they are just simple observations and shall not serve to discredit you in anyway, only to reflect some aspects.
First to your post there:
1) I don't think the core community around here is immature and your false view is only because you are here for such a short time. 2 Weeks ago, this place was the home to maturity. Now the hype is there, a lot of people are attracted and that is good. Some of them don't bring the right attitude and I agree with you there, but this was to be predicted. If Kronos would have set launch date first, those people where over at Kronos now, but since they haven't, they are now here. To really evaluate the statements of people, just look at their registration date in the forum and you will see that most people who are here longer than a 3 weeks, are the people that only want the best vanilla server, be it Nost or Kronos. They surely have an opinion but they are not lying as you suggest.
2) The censor thing is simply wrong, as you know from the comments in the reddit thread, still YOU are spreading lies about "censorship" here. There has never been an deleted Account or deleted post here and the question of "censorship" was never before raised. I don't know about Kronos forum (very well) and I only heard (a lot) of rumors that censorship there is a more vital discussion topic.
3) Matter of auctions
Account selling will happen anyway, we agree. For reasons also mentioned in the comments over there, I agree that selling accounts is principally not good. So I personally like people to be afraid of being scammed, because this might hinder (some) people to buy Accounts and principally they deserve to be scammed (ok, that's very harsh). They should level as anybody else and buying Accounts was a problem in vanilla WoW but "Instant LvL x" was never intended by Blizzard.
Now to the question why Nost is better.
Heck, most people don't know if Nost is better, because they didn't play both servers and those who do have a mostly biased opinion. When I look at the Kronos forum, I also see people spreading lies as shit, pretending the test where no success, when they where. But that is not the matter for me. I don't pick on the bad apples over there (like you do here, no offense meant!, see point 1).
For me there is only one reason why Nost seems to be better and that is that the devs have a damn clear view of what they are doing. They simply said: "We think we are good to go, we will test PVP, than have two PVE session, than a Hack session and then look farward to release." And hell, that's what they are doing. They are mature and competend developers that actually have project experience. This thread should convince you (starting at the post from Viper on first page). This is just not from what I am seeing over at Kronos. They don't meet deadlines, have little progress and the dev's don't focus on development but also do community work, when it's actually time to code. But please, read the thread.
This doesn't in anyway proof that Nost > Kronos and nothing will, until we have Nost up and running (and of cause can compare it to Kronos). Everyone dedicated to vanilla and is not too angered about the other community (a purpose you sadly enforce), will join the best vanilla server, be it Nost or Kronos. And that is from someone who never posted a word on Kronos forum (of cause I read it), is not liking most of the people over there and has dedicated a LOT of work in this forum (simply check my posts).
/Edit: Since you claim to be unbiased, I'd like you to remove the statement that there's censorship here, because it a bare misinformation (as you know since you posted here more then once now^^).
Furthermore I hope that the best server (and of cause the best argument) will win you
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- Kill
- Sergeant
Re: Convince Me.
Kill wrote:First to your post there:
1) I don't think the core community around here is immature and your false view is only because you are here for such a short time. 2 Weeks ago, this place was the home to maturity. Now the hype is there, a lot of people are attracted and that is good. Most of them don't bring the right attitude and I agree with you there, but this was to be predicted. If Kronos would have set launch date first, those people where over at Kronos now, but since they haven't, they are now here. To really evaluate the statements of people, just look at their registration date in the forum and you will see that most people who are here longer than a 3 weeks, are the people that only want the best vanilla server, be it Nost or Kronos. They surely have an opinion but they are not lying as you suggest.
Just to add to that discussion, I talked about it after the hype train with the release date announcement brought all the popularity in: http://puu.sh/fYiX1/06352ace82.jpg
Shortly after this thread, an off topic board was indeed made almost exclusively because of that crowd.
I mean, if you ever visit the /wpsg/ threads (this is the current one right now), you'd know how it is. It has ALWAYS been like this, on every private server that gets popular, will always attract attention of all kinds of people, including those.
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Hatson
- Stone Guard
Re: Convince Me.
mike1097 wrote:16 Devs vs. 1
Lol if you actually think Nos has 16 unpaid devs, you're very gullible.
- Cornholi
- Senior Sergeant
Re: Convince Me.
protip: nostalrius doesn't currently have 16 devs
they've just had that many over the course of some years, and they don't all still work for them
they've just had that many over the course of some years, and they don't all still work for them
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Aquane
- Senior Sergeant
Re: Convince Me.
I don't want to try to convince you of which server to play on. Find out the differences and choose for yourself. I've been insulted a few times on Youtube by Kronos defenders for not having wagoned over to their side, one going as far as to tout, "We both know that eventually I'll see you on Kronos". Another defended the cash shop character selling with a "They'll do it anyway" mentality.(That's like saying why sell video games, as people will pirate them anyway.) I don't operate with this kind of arrogance. What matters most is the scripting. One way or the other, you're going to have to wait until both of these to come out. Kronos has yet to even open its doors for players, which COULD mean Nostalrius is further along/better, but that's just a possibility, not a fact. Nostalrius clearly needs more work, which means they're either racing to release first, or are simply confident in the server's current progress and not worried about criticism. Kronos didn't announce its upcoming beta until after Nostalrius announced its release, so maybe they are hoping their beta will impress more. But all of this is just wild theories. You have to play the servers and compare facts/scripts. Once both doors are open, then we'll be able to make actual educated comparisons.
But yes, I am here because I picked Nostalrius. You can expect everyone on a forum for a game/server to be in its defense as they've already chosen it; that's why they're there in the first place. Nostalrius is more authentic of a server than Kronos will be. It's also closer to me(US East), so I will get a lower ping here. I'd rather lagg less than have a slightly better scripted server, even if Kronos turned out to be better.
But yes, I am here because I picked Nostalrius. You can expect everyone on a forum for a game/server to be in its defense as they've already chosen it; that's why they're there in the first place. Nostalrius is more authentic of a server than Kronos will be. It's also closer to me(US East), so I will get a lower ping here. I'd rather lagg less than have a slightly better scripted server, even if Kronos turned out to be better.
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Drain
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Re: Convince Me.
Speaking of "16 vs 1", on the other side, it can be argued that Kronos has 1/2 of the dev. Or maybe you forgot how everything there (from progress to communication etc.) was paralysed during month(s) of Chero´s exams? So the "equation" seems to be more-less exact. Also, it seems that something similar happened during June/July (and, therefore, is almost expected to keep on happening?) but I heard only echoes of that.
I was there briefly during that long downtime, and it was one of key reasons that made me choose Nos (I, naturally, discovered Kronos first and planned to play there, no matter the silence and their "during this fall" deadline was already waaay behind us) .
Some people tried to convince others that Chero is not that crucial to the team, that some other devs are contributing meantime (but both prolonged silence, broken deadlines without much/any explanation and numbers I digged out back in the day strongly suggested something else), that Twinstar can assign another developer in case of emergency (to my knowledge - it didnt happen during mentioned "frozen" months, or at least both the voice and the effect of that "other one" were invisible) and so on.
So, since I like to read between the lines (as opposed to blindly trusting all kinds of promises and "trust us, it´s fine" answers) my conclusion, back in the day, was that Kronos´s development and scripts are in relatively poor shape (which was/is in very sharp contrast with K´s typical "mantras") and that they have (and will continue to do so!) serious problems with manpower - therefore being far from release. The way things developed in months that followed - I don´t see that my assessments were wrong, and I certainly don´t regret "switching" to Nos.
To give you time coordinates, we are talking about things happening maybe some 3 months ago, and I tried to remember things as they happened without much doublechecking.
PS bit off topic - I also believe that Kronos was/is "bleeding subs" to us in huge numbers (well, I am a little drop of their blood
) recently, and that, in order to use that to maximum, additional testing of low level (say, 1-30 at least for the beginning) is crucial.
You probably can achieve that before launch (and you don´t need 40 man for quests) and it is very important to leave best possible first impression on new players and make them stay. Time investment in that additional polish is comparatively minor, and you - Nostalrius - can easily regret not dong it when "bleeding back" starts.
I was there briefly during that long downtime, and it was one of key reasons that made me choose Nos (I, naturally, discovered Kronos first and planned to play there, no matter the silence and their "during this fall" deadline was already waaay behind us) .
Some people tried to convince others that Chero is not that crucial to the team, that some other devs are contributing meantime (but both prolonged silence, broken deadlines without much/any explanation and numbers I digged out back in the day strongly suggested something else), that Twinstar can assign another developer in case of emergency (to my knowledge - it didnt happen during mentioned "frozen" months, or at least both the voice and the effect of that "other one" were invisible) and so on.
So, since I like to read between the lines (as opposed to blindly trusting all kinds of promises and "trust us, it´s fine" answers) my conclusion, back in the day, was that Kronos´s development and scripts are in relatively poor shape (which was/is in very sharp contrast with K´s typical "mantras") and that they have (and will continue to do so!) serious problems with manpower - therefore being far from release. The way things developed in months that followed - I don´t see that my assessments were wrong, and I certainly don´t regret "switching" to Nos.
To give you time coordinates, we are talking about things happening maybe some 3 months ago, and I tried to remember things as they happened without much doublechecking.
PS bit off topic - I also believe that Kronos was/is "bleeding subs" to us in huge numbers (well, I am a little drop of their blood
) recently, and that, in order to use that to maximum, additional testing of low level (say, 1-30 at least for the beginning) is crucial. You probably can achieve that before launch (and you don´t need 40 man for quests) and it is very important to leave best possible first impression on new players and make them stay. Time investment in that additional polish is comparatively minor, and you - Nostalrius - can easily regret not dong it when "bleeding back" starts.
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James Goblin
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Re: Convince Me.
From what I've seen from videos and have been reading from tester posts on both servers, Kronos is looking to have more initial bug fixes over Nostalrius but Nostalrius seems to have a larger dev team staff that looks to be every bit as skilled in terms of dealing with needed fixes.
Kronos is in CZ, while Nost is out of France meaning I'll get a lower (better) Ping playing on Nost. Probably by like 40 ms.
Kronos has verified superior anti DDoS protection. The posts from testers on Nost reported numerous events of chain crashing - some of it from bugs on the server, but also a portion from DDoS strikes.
So which one will be better? Hell if I know.
I think I want to play on Nost though because even if it launches with more bugs, the staff looks to be more than competent in verifying good bug reports and getting fixes out pretty quickly. Nost will give me a lower ping, which means I'll have a better PvP game experience.
The DDoS issues is the big thing on my mind. I've seen Feenix/Emerald Dream take many, many months of heavy hits from DDoS crashing, and we've all seen Rebirth get utterly trashed from amateur DDoS strikes. If Nostalrius proves to be a stable server, I doubt I'll have any problems playing here.
Kronos is in CZ, while Nost is out of France meaning I'll get a lower (better) Ping playing on Nost. Probably by like 40 ms.
Kronos has verified superior anti DDoS protection. The posts from testers on Nost reported numerous events of chain crashing - some of it from bugs on the server, but also a portion from DDoS strikes.
So which one will be better? Hell if I know.
I think I want to play on Nost though because even if it launches with more bugs, the staff looks to be more than competent in verifying good bug reports and getting fixes out pretty quickly. Nost will give me a lower ping, which means I'll have a better PvP game experience.
The DDoS issues is the big thing on my mind. I've seen Feenix/Emerald Dream take many, many months of heavy hits from DDoS crashing, and we've all seen Rebirth get utterly trashed from amateur DDoS strikes. If Nostalrius proves to be a stable server, I doubt I'll have any problems playing here.
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Redcap
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Re: Convince Me.
You are right about that, I also see DDOS as huge, probably THE issue for Nos, especially in the long run. Also, it should be one of Kronos´s strong points.
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James Goblin
- Senior Sergeant
Re: Convince Me.
From what i've read so far i'm thinking about going nos, I would be 100% sold if i was sure that they had good ddos protection but that seems to be an issue. I will definitely play nos at launch that i've decided.
Does nos have a big project or at least the funds to back it up? I don't want another rebirth.
Twinstar backing up kronos is one of the big reasons i want to go with them because i feel like it won't die.
Does nos have a big project or at least the funds to back it up? I don't want another rebirth.
Twinstar backing up kronos is one of the big reasons i want to go with them because i feel like it won't die.
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