Shaman or paladin which one is the strongest [Debate]

[Trolle]

PVE: Paladins are KINGS of Healing (Illumination FTW), Shamans are just about decent

PVP: Shamans are the better of the two most of the times. WF Totem, utility totems, frost/earth shock both on very low cooldown, imba imba!

[Seta]

Ret Paladin da Best!!!!!

[James Goblin]

Ah, I expected the neverending series of "Sham or Pal?" threads to start popping earlier.

To all the WF guys, it has memorable moments indeed...BUT you also have to be ready for waiting on WF to proc for 3 years, and then - after seeing dodge/miss/parry - spending remaining seconds of your life picking your nose in frost nova

Just a little warning to newcomers, you will not be "Unbreakable" 24/7.

[TheLockKing]

Lock is strongest. Good day.

[Keftenk]

Disc. Priest!

/flies away

[showtime]

for pve paladins because all the blessings are great on everyone while windfury is only going to be good for melee

but pvp i have to say shaman is better. elemental has op burst, windfury totems to make warriors own harder, and shit like grounding totem and tremor totem with no cd. also purge and a ranged interrupt on a low cool down. so ele has all that at the same time having amazing heals too so you can be healer or dpser

enh is better then ret for offense but ret can be nice because you can dispel sheeps or bubble and heal up you and your team. windfury can one shot people but so can a reck bomber with good gear but thats sort of gimmicky

but ele shaman is just to op considering it is as powerful as a lock but amazing healer too

[Aquane]

if you play a shaman juuust right you can do very high PvE dps for some fights, but mediocre dps for others; I won't elaborate ITT, but whether you do it that way or go elem ranged dps, you'll go oom pretty fast

for retadins you can do high dps but only at very high gear levels, at least BWL/AQ40 gear with T 2.5 and/or GM gear, idk how their mana is but they can also get judgements, notably wisdom and light

horde gets windfury totem and SoE((88.55 strength talented+AQ), which makes their warriors do insane damage and their combat swords rogues like it too; grounding totem is also useful if you're in a caster group, and in a ranged group you can use grace of air(88.55 agil talented+AQ),

alliance get blessing of salvation and might(222 ap talented)+kings

then theres some less important points, such as mana spring vs blessing of wisdom

wisdom is 39.6 mp5 talented with AQ book, mana spring is 12.25 mana per 2 seconds talented, which averages to 30.625 mp5, but then they get mana tide too

if you can stack different totem ranks then shamans become better for healer groups if you have 2 in a group, even if its just rank 4+rank 3, and shamans would also be better than paladins for melee groups if aggro is not an issue; you could use all those extra shamans to put 2 in a melee group for 2 SoE and GoA+WF, but still for some fights you're gonna want blessing of salvation more than anything else

for tank groups shamans can use windfury and stoneskin totem, which of course aren't always the best totem options; stoneskin is great for tanking tons of non-elites since its flat damage reduction after armor(maximum 50%)

I also hear that healing stream stacks regardless of rank, and that it ain't that bad if you have a bunch of +healing

[kfkh]

They're both stupid strong in their own ways.

dumb argument

ur bad

#teamshaman

[TheLockKing]

For a somewhat serious answer, Paladins are way better when it comes to the fights they are actually built for with Naxxramas being the big one. The DnD influence of Warcraft is heaviest with them (and Warriors and Rogues) as for the most part they're just good for nothing but the support abilities.. until you start fighting undead. Suddenly you have 2 spells that shine amazingly, Holy Wrath and Exorcism, both at a low enough cost to be somewhat spammable and having a VERY low cast time with Exorcism being Instant \o/ When the Alliance version of our guild did Naxx one of the paladins stole threat from every tank during the Four Horsemen with a few casts of Holy Wrath. The only thing that coulda been better would be if their healing spells would do the same amount in damage if cast at an Undead/Demon enemy (Much like DnD.. oh god if Lay on Hands could do damage O.O)

HOWEVER... They're generally just support classes in plate (Or PlatePriests as I call em) the rest of the time with no real difference from the other support classes save the Blessings. Can't heal as well as a Priest, can't debuff like a Warlock, can only CC an Undead.. really the only thing they can do is bless and then heal whoever needs it. Shaman, on the other hand, have it much easier. Totems for any situation, spells that were greatly OP in Vanilla (save Chain Lightning's useless ass).. their only real problem was Naxx.

[showtime]

For a somewhat serious answer, Paladins are way better when it comes to the fights they are actually built for with Naxxramas being the big one. The DnD influence of Warcraft is heaviest with them (and Warriors and Rogues) as for the most part they're just good for nothing but the support abilities.. until you start fighting undead. Suddenly you have 2 spells that shine amazingly, Holy Wrath and Exorcism, both at a low enough cost to be somewhat spammable and having a VERY low cast time with Exorcism being Instant \o/ When the Alliance version of our guild did Naxx one of the paladins stole threat from every tank during the Four Horsemen with a few casts of Holy Wrath. The only thing that coulda been better would be if their healing spells would do the same amount in damage if cast at an Undead/Demon enemy (Much like DnD.. oh god if Lay on Hands could do damage O.O)

HOWEVER... They're generally just support classes in plate (Or PlatePriests as I call em) the rest of the time with no real difference from the other support classes save the Blessings. Can't heal as well as a Priest, can't debuff like a Warlock, can only CC an Undead.. really the only thing they can do is bless and then heal whoever needs it. Shaman, on the other hand, have it much easier. Totems for any situation, spells that were greatly OP in Vanilla (save Chain Lightning's useless ass).. their only real problem was Naxx.

ok what? exorcism and holy wrath arnt that good at all. exorcism is aight but 15 second cool down and holy wrath 1 minute cool down and like 2+ second cast time. so thats bad for dps unless ur counting aoe dps which doesnt mean nothing. exorcism barley boosts paladins damage

also chain lighting useless? also only cc undead? what are you talking about you got repentance and hammer of justice