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[sownu]

The only difference that exists between needing BoP items you won't use, and needing BoE items you won't use is the monetary amount you can cash in from them. BoP will always give a flat moderate amount, BoE items have a wide range of potential cashing value from just vendor price for greens to hundreds of gold.

Monetary amount is incidental, it doesn't change the principle. Like I said before, the need and greed system is designed to include items worth 20s to items worth 1 million gold. Need if you use, greed if you cash in on them, it's simple. Adding an artificial threshold of "past a certain cashing value, you should need" it's just catering to human petty greed.

But you are right though, it boils down to a difference in character. What you condone is the same reason why corpse scavengers have existed for millenia: A good deal people will have no respect for anything and just take as much as they can, even when they don't deserve it. Just like weasels.

I am glad to be able to look at folks like you, see their tiny petty souls reflected in their eyes, and smirk. Like trash beneath one's boots.

Ill translate argument for you to make it easier to understand:

BOP NOT SAME VALUE (IN GOLD) FOR ALL PEOPLES SMART THING TO DO IS PASS TO ONE WHO NEEDS

BOE SAME VALUE (IN GOLD) FOR ALL PEOPLES SMART THING TO DO LET ALL ROLL

[Dr. Doom]

The only difference that exists between needing BoP items you won't use, and needing BoE items you won't use is the monetary amount you can cash in from them. BoP will always give a flat moderate amount, BoE items have a wide range of potential cashing value from just vendor price for greens to hundreds of gold.

Monetary amount is incidental, it doesn't change the principle. Like I said before, the need and greed system is designed to include items worth 20s to items worth 1 million gold. Need if you use, greed if you cash in on them, it's simple. Adding an artificial threshold of "past a certain cashing value, you should need" it's just catering to human petty greed.

But you are right though, it boils down to a difference in character. What you condone is the same reason why corpse scavengers have existed for millenia: A good deal people will have no respect for anything and just take as much as they can, even when they don't deserve it. Just like weasels.

I am glad to be able to look at folks like you, see their tiny petty souls reflected in their eyes, and smirk. Like trash beneath one's boots.

Ill translate argument for you to make it easier to understand:

BOP NOT SAME VALUE (IN GOLD) FOR ALL PEOPLES SMART THING TO DO IS PASS TO ONE WHO NEEDS

BOE SAME VALUE (IN GOLD) FOR ALL PEOPLES SMART THING TO DO LET ALL ROLL

Gold is never an argument of fairness. The system is built over a principle of use vs cash, not about goldz and moneyz for me tiny pocketz.

[sownu]

Gold is never an argument of fairness. The system is built over a principle of use vs cash, not about goldz and moneyz for me tiny pocketz.

Fairness? The only fair way is to let everyone roll for BoE.

You seem to imagine its this poor guy who can use BoE drop vs rich assholes who doesnt let him, but what if its rich asshole who simply didnt want to spend gold to buy that item from AH vs poor party members who could use that gold to buy gear for themselves from AH ? What if he takes that BoE because everyone passes and later resells it on AH himself? What if something like staff of jordan drops and everyone passes to mage who will use it for 3 levels and vendor it while literally everyone else would sell that staff and buy whole set of items to last for 10 levels ? Does not sound fair to me at all.

[Dr. Doom]

Gold is never an argument of fairness. The system is built over a principle of use vs cash, not about goldz and moneyz for me tiny pocketz.

Fairness? The only fair way is to let everyone roll for BoE.

You seem to imagine its this poor guy who can use BoE drop vs rich assholes who doesnt let him, but what if its rich asshole who simply didnt want to spend gold to buy that item from AH vs poor party members who could use that gold to buy gear for themselves from AH ? What if he takes that BoE because everyone passes and later resells it on AH himself? What if something like staff of jordan drops and everyone passes to mage who will use it for 3 levels and vendor it while literally everyone else would sell that staff and buy whole set of items to last for 10 levels ? Does not sound fair to me at all.

This one is a fair point, but the solution is instant: Ask the person who need rolled to equip the item immediately, so everyone can see it was soulbound.

When Hanzo Sword dropped in one of my runs, and all of us greeded it while the one rogue in team needed it, we asked him to do just that, and he obliged.

If the need roller doesn't do it, it's a ninjaing case you can report just as if he had need rolled on an item he couldn't use. Report said person as well. It happened to one of my guildies in Blackfathom Deeps when Tree Bark Jacket dropped. A random warlock in team said he'd use it, so my guildies being well behaved, just greeded it. He was then asked to equip it , yet he didn't, clearly showing he was planning to cash on it. He got kicked from team, I was reported about it, I then messaged his guildmaster who proceeded to gkick him.

[vinceyoung]

Problem with comparing rolling needing on BOPs vs BOEs is people can't actually obtain the BOP items outside of the dungeons. Hypothetically if everyone were to just need on all BOPs obtaining the items you want from a dungeon would be extremely low and would result in inefficiency with running dungeons. It's mutually beneficial to not need on BOPs you don't need since you would not want someone to do the same to you. People run dungeons for specific gear that drops in the dungeon so everyone just rolling need totally defeats the purpose.

The difference with BOE items is people do not specifically run dungeons for a particular BOE. BOEs are pretty much random and as such are not something you plan to see when you run a particular dungeon. I mean some of you seem to think that rolling need on BOPs is like the exact same thing as rolling need on BOEs. It's not and no sane person would ever use the logic of rolling on BOPs for gold over someone who genuinely could use it. So please can we stop with this argument.

Perhaps since there are such strong views towards needing on BOEs for gold it should be announced before a dungeon run to avoid confusion (i.e. Everyone need on valuable BOEs if they drop / Only need on BOEs you can use). I personally see nothing wrong with needing on BOEs that have value but from viewing this thread a lot of people do. My views on this are not out of greed either. I have no problem with my entire group needing on a BOE that I would like to equip.

[Dr. Doom]

Perhaps since there are such strong views towards needing on BOEs for gold it should be announced before a dungeon run to avoid confusion (i.e. Everyone need on valuable BOEs if they drop / Only need on BOEs you can use). I personally see nothing wrong with needing on BOEs that have value but from viewing this thread a lot of people do. My views on this are not out of greed either. I have no problem with my entire group needing on a BOE that I would like to equip.

Sounds like a deal. I can say that to this day, out of the 5 or 6 epic BoEs I've seen drop in my dungeons, I've only hit need on one of them, which I intended to equip, the rest I greeded them. So yes, better to sort it out before the dungeon starts so everyone is in the same page.

I had this issue as well with people needing Traveler's Backpacks or Corruptor's Scourgestones. I defaulted to greeding them since well, as bags as useful may be, I'd just like to take them to make my life easier, same with rep items such as scourgestones. Yet people chain need them, so I was pushed into the same behaviour.

[Syrma]

+1 vinceyoung explained what I tried to earlier, but in a much better way.

Dr. Doom you should just check the analogy from my post from page 8.

Let me give you an example from real life. Let's say you have a girlfriend you want to propose to. One day you walk on a sidewalk and spot a diamond ring lying on the ground, but one other person spots it too. You both rush to it and grab it at the same time. Does the fact, that you want to propose to your girlfriend gives you any more right to the ring than the other guy, just because he doesn't have a girlfriend and just wants to sell it? If your answer is yes, I'd advise you to seek a help from a proffessional counselor.

That might help you to understand the principle. If it does not -> last sentence.

[Aslan]

^This must be the worst analogy I have seen in 2016 so far =P. But for sure wont stay the worst.

[Aliriya]

Bolded part is all there is to it. "I need the gold" is never a reason to need anything

After having spent 3000 gold over the last few months, I'm currently at 28g only.

According to "I need the money", the vendor money of 2hander dungeon weapons is 5-6g, almost 25% of my current reserves. I guess I can be excused to need every single Omokk's Fist or such in any dungeon farm run since my team mates likely have 100+ gold. I need the gold d00d, dem enchants are expensive, you don't.

"Need the money" is by definition an admission you're just a shitty petty person.

Passing valuable BoE just because some guy can equip it is same as giving him gold. Nothing wrong with that. Quite noble actually. But to be expected to pass gold to some random just because you play with him for 30minutes is wrong.

And if you bring up "BoP and BoE is the same" nonsense you are a moron, simple as that.

So in your words, we can no longer expect people passing any BOE, because well as value of amount of gold any BOE is worth is relative (5g might be alot for someone or in other words valuable) and you cannot expect that.

Dumb way.... If you press need on item you dont need for the character you play with at the time of item dropping you are a ninja... It was like that for majority of my MMORPG experience which started back in Vanilla days in early 2006.

The greed icon even has gold coins on it, implying exactly what its for... Any other explanation is only because of uber greedy people. Even if the item is crap (why sell it for 300g then? ) need before greed. Its a commonly used way of loot distribution in MMORPGs. Yours or anyone explanation or bending the reason towards NEED cos its more than XX gold where you obviously set XX amount subjectively (which means it can be whatever individual finds high enough) is like saying Round robin loot system should mean all items go to me... while round robin means something entirely different.

[Dr. Doom]

+1 vinceyoung explained what I tried to earlier, but in a much better way.

Dr. Doom you should just check the analogy from my post from page 8.

Let me give you an example from real life. Let's say you have a girlfriend you want to propose to. One day you walk on a sidewalk and spot a diamond ring lying on the ground, but one other person spots it too. You both rush to it and grab it at the same time. Does the fact, that you want to propose to your girlfriend gives you any more right to the ring than the other guy, just because he doesn't have a girlfriend and just wants to sell it? If your answer is yes, I'd advise you to seek a help from a proffessional counselor.

That might help you to understand the principle. If it does not -> last sentence.

I'd probably give the ring to the guy if he was going to propose with it and couldn't afford it. But that's just me. Not because I'm insane, only because cashing on stuff and material goods has never been my thing, while principles and ideas have been.

P.S I would ask to be invited to the wedding, to check he did soul bind the ring. ;D