Ninja Looter/Players to look out for (CLOSED)

[Covy]

Horde UD Rogue Magaiveris.

Unlocked chest, I asked for greed roll, so a couple of us rolled. Rogue gave ore to the guy who asked for it, gave the lesser moonstone to me for winning the roll, then kept leggings for himself. Gave no reason for taking them, laughed when he took them.

http://imgur.com/H1BRHNm,UZjPrFh#1

http://imgur.com/H1BRHNm,UZjPrFh#0

I realize that this isn't quite as bad as someone grabbing a rare or epic, but it's pretty scummy and deserves recompense.

[Proverbs]

Beware player Eyonix - agreed to combine to create a frost oil. Made no mention of any sort of fee prior to handing over materials. Ran to him, gave him the materials, he accepted them and created the frost oil. He opens up trade, puts frost oil in trade, and I plop 10 silver in trade as a tip for his time.

He then decides to try and blackmail/hold a ransom and demands that I pay him 1g for the use of his profession. Had he mentioned anything about that fee I would have never handed over the materials. Had he offered to return the materials I would have just went about my way. Instead he kept the materials and demands me to pay his ransom before returning either a) my materials or b) the frost oil.

[Badtank]

I really didn't want to have to do this, I absolutely hate attacking people but your giving me really no out here when you construct in argument in this way. I'm going to do my best to break everything down here objectively, and for full disclosure I am a member of Intent for less then a full 24 hours and have only joined based on my own feelings that I've had after running with the guild and most of them seemed decent enough to me. So without further posturing lets do this.


The situation stands as this, Crow you ran a ST with samsta and what seems to be another guildy and when approaching hakkar's death you obviously had knowledge that only one essence of hakkar drops per kill regardless of the amount of people with eggs or the quest. Given this knowledge it seems apparent that you rushed to shift loot the body not wanting to miss out on the quest item and in doing so accidentally in your haste looted a epic chest in error. That alone is very greedy but not enough for total condemnation, I've had a handful of bad quest experiences with you my self and this does reinforce my opinion of you being rather greedy and selfish but that does not condemn you to be on what amounts to a fucking terror list.

Now given the history of what i've heard about the guild <Big Plays> on your previous server this would incline me to thinking that you did this out of a greedy nature with no regard to the rest of your group and no actual remorse. Now is that fair? Hell no, and I would never bring it up unless to explain that, that line of reasoning is stupid and has no place here. Condemning a entire guild is beyond fucking retarded.

Your "proof" shows only to me a heated debate by people a little inflamed with passion and anger over the situation, the ticket you have open shows nothing, I as well can open a ticket window and type shit out and take a screenshot, that evidence is worthless and only exists to try to improve upon your character it's easily dismissed, now on to your screenshots which I think only further reinforce that both sides are just more engrossed with their emotions then any form of logic or reason. What we have here is a guild leader feeling betrayed over a lack of siding with him in what he felt was a clear cut case. Did he overstep boundaries here by removing the player in question, maybe but as a guild leader that is his decision and is really not in argument here. The rest of the shit, albeit holy Christ who goes on /vg/ its a fucking cancer board/, is almost all just personal attacks and meaningless drivel. It flat out does not fucking matter, does it show that samsta is a bit of an asshole, sure fucking does. Does that matter? Fuck no it doesn't, it has nothing to do with the debate at hand as is only being thrown on the fire to torch his character in the court of public opinion.

I think this argument can be summed up as such, samsta obviously felt your intent was malicious in nature and came to the thread to call you out for it, not realizing that the actual looting was most likely in error and in haste. I also believe this further highlights why this entire thread should not exist as their is always more to the story in real ninja looting and its rarely ever cut and dry. A fucking witch hunt thread, which is exactly what this is, should not exist as it only serves that purpose.


Now here's the part I hate to post because I hate constructing my arguments this way, even when you construct your entire debate out of fucking fallacy and really leave me no other option.

Phaeleg, you are a vile disgusting person. What you are attempting to do here is no less then absolutely reprehensible. The fact that you immediately tried to shift the blame away from my accusations with a fucking anecdotal story so made of straw I was afraid you might catch fire with the next few rays of life only proves exactly what I was saying. You created this thread not to do the community some justice but to elevate yourself above the other players and present yourself as a form of power as well as being a important player on the server, I mean who would not respect the guy that runs the "Ninja Looter" thread with the ability to completely trash your reputation in one fell swoop.

Try to deflect it all you want but that's exactly what you've done here. Just look at how fast you back pedaling and began THREATENING samsta once you realized there was more to the story and had made your self look foolish by putting crow's name up on your "list" so quickly. Your only way to save face was to do a about 180 and attack him so you could still look elevated and respectable. You are a vile person, I've met your kind again and again online and not once have I ever liked you. When you make a thread and cause it to focus on such petty bullshit as level 20 blue's being "ninjad" you only reinforce my opinion of you. Your simply pandering to the fucking crowd, because you know damn well it's hard to defend yourself in this situation and it can only seek to make you look better by standing above and condemning these awful people for their oh so terrible crimes. You disgust me.

I apologize for the wall of text and don't blame you if you don't read it. I supposed as well a TL:DR Passions get flamed, people get angry, logic gets pushed aside. This is why this thread should not exist.


EDIT:

And as for your last post crow, making such claims as "They've been practically universally distrusted over on alliance" is so facetious I could almost laugh. Don't debase yourself like that.

Also Edit:

Crow i'm also not trying to say this makes what samsta did 100% A OK, you have just as much reason to be pissed off as he does, but the way you have both acted is childish. Why don't you just agree to let bygones be bygones?

[DarkPhenomenon]

Yes I read your entire wall of text Badtank, and regardless of what the OP says, the screenshots speak for themselves. I'll admin some of the green ninja looting is a little petty and condemning an entire guild for one person (Even the GM) is a little much, but to me it's more about what the act says about the person. Your rant about the OP is also quite petty and baseless, the OP is vile and he's trying to gain power somehow? That's a little excessive.

Your GM has obviously showed that all he cares about are people that are loyal to him regardless of the circumstances, I'd much rather have people/be with people/run with people who are respectful and that's not Samsta.

[Badtank]

Yes I read your entire wall of text Badtank, and regardless of what the OP says, the screenshots speak for themselves. I'll admin some of the green ninja looting is a little petty and condemning an entire guild for one person (Even the GM) is a little much, but to me it's more about what the act says about the person. Your rant about the OP is also quite petty and baseless, the OP is vile and he's trying to gain power somehow? That's a little excessive.

Your GM has obviously showed that all he cares about are people that are loyal to him regardless of the circumstances, I'd much rather have people/be with people/run with people who are respectful and that's not Samsta.

Please show me exactly in these screenshots where your "condemning" evidence comes from. I'm looking at the exact same screenshots you are and all I see is angry people being emotional.

[Phaleg]

Goodness thats a lot of text. I actually would like to play the game tonight, but i'll make an effort to read through that and make a proper post either tonight or tomorrow.

[DarkPhenomenon]

Primarily this series of screenshots.

http://imgur.com/a/INiHl

That confirmed that *two* members of the instance group from his own guild thought it was just a misunderstanding. The series also shows that Stamsta didn’t give a shit about it being an honest mistake, he just wanted to “Get” crow and kicked at least one guildy when he tried to have a reasonable conversation with him about it being honest mistake.

This very clearly shows exactly what kind of character Stamsta is, not something the OP said or did.

[Magnifican]

Really Badtank? Phaleg is one of the few good people on this forum. He tries to bring the ninjas out in the open for everyone to see. Keep track of this thread and updating the first post, only after gathering evidence. Time and time again he hesitate to put someone on the first page because he does not want to throw people on there for no reason. How is that disgusting and vile in any way?

[Badtank]

Really Badtank? Phaleg is one of the few good people on this forum. He tries to bring the ninjas out in the open for everyone to see. Keep track of this thread and updating the first post, only after gathering evidence. Time and time again he hesitate to put someone on the first page because he does not want to throw people on there for no reason. How is that disgusting and vile in any way?

If you can't see through his bullshit, i'm sorry. I've spent to much time on dumb forums everywhere to not see exactly whats going on here.


And as for those screenshots, that looks like a disagreement between two players on the nature of what a "ninja loot" is. Samsta seems to be not agreeing with his intent. Character arguments do not matter in this type of debate, pure facts are all that matter. That's my entire point. Now while I can see samsta saying "that's a royal fuck up" your taking that out of context if your using that as admission of guilt. That is very obviously him saying if what you are saying is true and then continuing to disagree with the way the situation went down. The rest of the screenshots are just an argument over loyalty only included to cast him in a bad light.

[DarkPhenomenon]

First of all, it wasn't an argument, it was Stamsta saying my way or the highway (which in itself is a douchy thing to do)
Second of all, Ninjaing is pretty much universally over BoE items that people sell for money or sent to alts. This was a BoP cloth item a tank took on ffa looting which makes it very clear to apparently everyone but Stamsta that it was just an accident.

Say what you want Badtank, you’re free to have your own opinion but any reasonable person is going to see those screenshots and come to the exact same conclusion myself, crow, the OP and most other people have, that Stamsta is just bitter that he missed out on a chest due to a mistake that’s irrelevant at level 60 anyways so he came to the forum to try and get some petty revenge. But good luck continuing to defend your guildy, at least you're showing how loyal you are despite all the facts that have been presented