Leveling Ally 47+ is a joke

[HAEVNEREN]

Haevneren is just a noob.

Nice comeback bro, don't go to heavy on me now. I'll live with being a noob, knowing you are a full fledged spastic.

Keep camping them 51's till they log off, "pro".

[HAEVNEREN]

Oh, and, I doubt fighting back will make things worse, that's stupid. Its not like hordes will spam everywhere
"Omgs ally fights back with 60s let's Kiel moar " and everyone will start ranking more.

People often go solo or in small groups to gank. If they die by other lvl 60 alliance you think the horde will shit out 2 more lvl 60s?

Do you really believe this? Honestly? Because whenever alliance actually do group up, and fuck some hordes over, which has happened in northern stv quite a few times, i being a part of it, the fun ends within 20-30 minutes when the camp is suddenly occupied by two 60 rogues (UD male ofc) and a 60 troll hunter. When attempting to counter this, it becomes painfully obvious that the lvl 60 ratio and pve carebear factor on the alliance side is a great limitation.

This isn't worth a discussion anymore, things will continue as they will IN the game, as most people are unaffected by the forums. I said my opinion, you said yours.

You are most likely going to be correct here. It was worth a shot in any case, i guess.

[Solmyr]

While your post leads to the conclusion that you have shit reading comprehension and/or is plain retarded. I'll explain why by debunking your worthless "input";

You've debunked absolutely nothing, except your own ability to carry out a logical debate.

Alliance want the server to stay healthy and discuss the excessive lvl 60 group ganking of lvl 51+ players. The "regular" world pvp is conducted by both sides. STV is an almost equal sided gankfest. Its the end game zones where the things change. If it continues there won't be any fucking "world pvp" you logic-depraved neanderthal, just look at the lvl 50-60 census data updates for some empirical evidence.

Alliance say they want the server to stay healthy, yet refuse to engage in world pvp, instead preferring to afk-premade-win battlegrounds for easy honour. Easier to troll forums than leave Ironforge, yet claim the moral high ground of wanting a healthy server. If Alliance want a healthy server they would make an effort to help their own faction.

As for your claims that there won't be any world pvp if this continues, I question your knowledge of the definition of world pvp if you present such ludicrous claims. World pvp is what's happening at the moment. And a few alliances are obviously displeased with that. You are the ones trying to stop world pvp, both by not engaging in it and by chastising those who engage in it. Lvl60s killing lvl~50s is still world pvp. If you think it's unfair, help the weaker side. Trolling the forums will not change anything. Not that I imagine you want anything to change, you just want someone to read your nonsense and satisfy your need for attention.

The fuck are you talking about? Just about 9/10 of every horde reply justifices the ganking BECAUSE they have a hard time in instanced pvp because of 30+ min ques, and thus want more alliance to que some more so they can do more INSTANCED pvp. If the ques where instant the rankhunting hordes would sit in BGs allday everyday just like the alliance.

How do you know these are replies from Horde players, let alone PvPers? You base your assumptions on hearsay and extrapolate data about the entire Horde from it. I might feel insulted by such slander, had I not already dismissed the entirety of your posts as the ramblings of an outraged interneter.

How can you read these threads and conclude such nonsense?
Goddamn bring something better to the table, 2 ez to rip you a new one when youre full of shit.

How can you read your own posts (you probably don't, I imagine) and surmise that they bear any value upon the community? Your language alone bespeaks a [recent] adolescence filled with nerdrage over internet-related incidents. It is not we, but your local psychologist, that ought to be the audience of your disturbed conscience.

[Tam]

World pvp is what's happening at the moment.

60 lvls camping 60lvls passing brm
35-39 lvl chars fighting 35-39 lvl chars in north svv
45-50 lvl chars fighting 45-50 lvl chars in south Tanaris
this is world pvp

if 60 lvl geared retard killing 10+ lower targets for hours who r chanceless to win due to wow mechanic, its not wpvp its called griefing and only deep idiot cant understand it

[HAEVNEREN]

Congratulations on writing a long ass reply without much actual material to discuss upon. Now we all know that you got some big words in your arsenal, and that you surpass even me in ad hominem "arguments".

While your post leads to the conclusion that you have shit reading comprehension and/or is plain retarded. I'll explain why by debunking your worthless "input";

You've debunked absolutely nothing, except your own ability to carry out a logical debate.

If i have no ability to apply logic, why state it and not make it be clear to everyone by actually defending your views, and thus discredit me?

Alliance want the server to stay healthy and discuss the excessive lvl 60 group ganking of lvl 51+ players. The "regular" world pvp is conducted by both sides. STV is an almost equal sided gankfest. Its the end game zones where the things change. If it continues there won't be any fucking "world pvp" you logic-depraved neanderthal, just look at the lvl 50-60 census data updates for some empirical evidence.

Alliance say they want the server to stay healthy, yet refuse to engage in world pvp, instead preferring to afk-premade-win battlegrounds for easy honour. Easier to troll forums than leave Ironforge, yet claim the moral high ground of wanting a healthy server. If Alliance want a healthy server they would make an effort to help their own faction.

It has been written a ton of times that a 60/40 lvl 60 ratio and alliance pve focus makes this next to impossible. I guess more lvl 60 alliance would make an effort if they could actually reach lvl 60. The alliance "plead" is because it is somewhat to late for your implementation, so this "just ding 60 and wpvp" option isn't an actual option. How is this not logical? Please elaborate if you disagree.

As for your claims that there won't be any world pvp if this continues, I question your knowledge of the definition of world pvp if you present such ludicrous claims. World pvp is what's happening at the moment. And a few alliances are obviously displeased with that. You are the ones trying to stop world pvp, both by not engaging in it and by chastising those who engage in it. Lvl60s killing lvl~50s is still world pvp. If you think it's unfair, help the weaker side. Trolling the forums will not change anything. Not that I imagine you want anything to change, you just want someone to read your nonsense and satisfy your need for attention.

As mentioned before, it's not a simple go-to option of just "helping" the weaker side. I do try, though. But as an example, my lvl 49 char only do so much against a group of geared 60s. I don't want world pvp to be stopped, i dont plan on doing much else. I have almost 800 hks from world pvp alone. It would be sad to see the server get fucked because of excessive griefing, though. Do you not agree? You might claim that wont happen, but the census data thread and multiple and more frequent alliance whine threads show a different image. Do you want to "protect" excessive griefing even at the cost of server health? Many a private server has been all but abandoned because of ratios getting out of hand. The last bit of your post is just worthless ad hominem, so be it.

The fuck are you talking about? Just about 9/10 of every horde reply justifices the ganking BECAUSE they have a hard time in instanced pvp because of 30+ min ques, and thus want more alliance to que some more so they can do more INSTANCED pvp. If the ques where instant the rankhunting hordes would sit in BGs allday everyday just like the alliance.

How do you know these are replies from Horde players, let alone PvPers? You base your assumptions on hearsay and extrapolate data about the entire Horde from it. I might feel insulted by such slander, had I not already dismissed the entirety of your posts as the ramblings of an outraged interneter.

Brutal nitpicking, but I base that on the fact that many acknowledge they are horde, or at least discuss from grounds where you can assume they are horde. None the less, i can only base it on the views i am presented here in this forum, as this is where we discuss. In both this thread but even more so in my original thread there are plenty of horde saying they do it to farm HK while waiting for bg ques. If this is not the case, what is your suggested reason?

You base your assumptions on hearsay and extrapolate data about the entire Horde from it.

In your original post you conclude alliance want instanced pvp and hordes want world pvp. Dont be a hypocrite if you try to dismantle, it doesn't work.

This whole series of threads is leading me to a disturbing conclusion.
Alliance want to play instanced-PvP (battlegrounds) and frown down on world PvP.

"hearsay and extrapolate data". you conclude on the posts and answers in these threads. So do i.

How can you read these threads and conclude such nonsense?
Goddamn bring something better to the table, 2 ez to rip you a new one when youre full of shit.

How can you read your own posts (you probably don't, I imagine) and surmise that they bear any value upon the community? Your language alone bespeaks a [recent] adolescence filled with nerdrage over internet-related incidents. It is not we, but your local psychologist, that ought to be the audience of your disturbed conscience.

My attack was based on my debunking of your post. Your attack is just an attack without any actual grounds. Besides an assumption that i must have pissed you off real good in my reply.

To sum up your conclusion;

Alliance want instanced pvp.
Hordes want world pvp.

This is wrong, at least based on these threads, where it is stated multiple times they farm HKs. Also note that they farm higher lvl areas where they "conveniently" gain honor from the killings.

PvP wise, alliance are outnumbered. In a bg setting its equal numbers. Alliance got instant ques. They stick to premades. Horde do make premades as well, but farm lvl 51+s on the side, because of long ques. I would love an explanation to why this assumption is wrong.

and;

Alliance need to fix it by killing the hordes through world pvp.

This isn't possible. Ratios and pve mentality.

Your original message was wrong, and i pointed that out. That's it. You can try to snake out of it all you want with ad hominem and facy words if you want, but if you intend to reply, comment on this last conclusion.

[Mryul]

While your post leads to the conclusion that you have shit reading comprehension and/or is plain retarded. I'll explain why by debunking your worthless "input";

You've debunked absolutely nothing, except your own ability to carry out a logical debate.

Alliance want the server to stay healthy and discuss the excessive lvl 60 group ganking of lvl 51+ players. The "regular" world pvp is conducted by both sides. STV is an almost equal sided gankfest. Its the end game zones where the things change. If it continues there won't be any fucking "world pvp" you logic-depraved neanderthal, just look at the lvl 50-60 census data updates for some empirical evidence.

Alliance say they want the server to stay healthy, yet refuse to engage in world pvp, instead preferring to afk-premade-win battlegrounds for easy honour. Easier to troll forums than leave Ironforge, yet claim the moral high ground of wanting a healthy server. If Alliance want a healthy server they would make an effort to help their own faction.

As for your claims that there won't be any world pvp if this continues, I question your knowledge of the definition of world pvp if you present such ludicrous claims. World pvp is what's happening at the moment. And a few alliances are obviously displeased with that. You are the ones trying to stop world pvp, both by not engaging in it and by chastising those who engage in it. Lvl60s killing lvl~50s is still world pvp. If you think it's unfair, help the weaker side. Trolling the forums will not change anything. Not that I imagine you want anything to change, you just want someone to read your nonsense and satisfy your need for attention.

The fuck are you talking about? Just about 9/10 of every horde reply justifices the ganking BECAUSE they have a hard time in instanced pvp because of 30+ min ques, and thus want more alliance to que some more so they can do more INSTANCED pvp. If the ques where instant the rankhunting hordes would sit in BGs allday everyday just like the alliance.

How do you know these are replies from Horde players, let alone PvPers? You base your assumptions on hearsay and extrapolate data about the entire Horde from it. I might feel insulted by such slander, had I not already dismissed the entirety of your posts as the ramblings of an outraged interneter.

How can you read these threads and conclude such nonsense?
Goddamn bring something better to the table, 2 ez to rip you a new one when youre full of shit.

How can you read your own posts (you probably don't, I imagine) and surmise that they bear any value upon the community? Your language alone bespeaks a [recent] adolescence filled with nerdrage over internet-related incidents. It is not we, but your local psychologist, that ought to be the audience of your disturbed conscience.

this is a terrible argument. lots of horde want a healthy PvP environment at level 60, and thus want the ganking to stop so we can actually get real pvp at 60. if you think it's just alliance alloyed over this you're really god damn stupid.

The horde side is the biggest losers of this ganking, it is the horde that will have shit tier PvP at level 60 - not the alliance. The alliance will be just fine.

[Pozzingher]

So stop ganking

[Solmyr]

World pvp is what's happening at the moment.

60 lvls camping 60lvls passing brm
35-39 lvl chars fighting 35-39 lvl chars in north svv
45-50 lvl chars fighting 45-50 lvl chars in south Tanaris
this is world pvp

if 60 lvl geared retard killing 10+ lower targets for hours who r chanceless to win due to wow mechanic, its not wpvp its called griefing and only deep idiot cant understand it

Sorry to disappoint you, but you don't get to remake the definitions of decade-old terms to suit your current agenda.

In WoW the following terms are accepted by the community with the following definitions:
PvP - action between two players, tacitly accepted to be from opposing factions (as you can't fight your own faction outside of duels - duels, although technically involving action between two players, are generally not referred to as PvP).
World - the environment of WoW that is shared between all players simultaneously, i.e. non-instanced environment. Generally includes the two main continents and surrounding seas.

World PvP - a term that came into existence with the introduction of battlegrounds in WoW, which introduced the concept of instanced PvP (before that PvP could only take place in the world, hence the term was redundant), meaning an action between two players that occurs in the world.

What is happening on Nostalrius at the moment is within the definition of World PvP.

The term Griefing, that you also mentioned, means something completely different, namely "act of a player ruining the gaming experience of another player on purpose". This definition is very loose and can be be applied in a variety of cases, depending on what ruins a player's experience.

Just to give you an example, my gaming experience is ruined when I go to a zone and find no mining and herb nodes - thus, by the definition, all the players, who collected those nodes are therefore griefing me.

Griefing is the equivalent of saying "I feel offended" irl. It bears absolutely no weight, as it reflects on your personal feelings about the game and not on objective facts.

You come strikingly close to a WoW-SJW in your attempts to redefine terms and claim that being offended by in-game actions should warrant punishment or action from the institution to protect you.

[Mryul]

World pvp is what's happening at the moment.

60 lvls camping 60lvls passing brm
35-39 lvl chars fighting 35-39 lvl chars in north svv
45-50 lvl chars fighting 45-50 lvl chars in south Tanaris
this is world pvp

if 60 lvl geared retard killing 10+ lower targets for hours who r chanceless to win due to wow mechanic, its not wpvp its called griefing and only deep idiot cant understand it

Sorry to disappoint you, but you don't get to remake the definitions of decade-old terms to suit your current agenda.

In WoW the following terms are accepted by the community with the following definitions:
PvP - action between two players, tacitly accepted to be from opposing factions (as you can't fight your own faction outside of duels - duels, although technically involving action between two players, are generally not referred to as PvP).
World - the environment of WoW that is shared between all players simultaneously, i.e. non-instanced environment. Generally includes the two main continents and surrounding seas.

World PvP - a term that came into existence with the introduction of battlegrounds in WoW, which introduced the concept of instanced PvP (before that PvP could only take place in the world, hence the term was redundant), meaning an action between two players that occurs in the world.

What is happening on Nostalrius at the moment is within the definition of World PvP.

The term Griefing, that you also mentioned, means something completely different, namely "act of a player ruining the gaming experience of another player on purpose". This definition is very loose and can be be applied in a variety of cases, depending on what ruins a player's experience.

Just to give you an example, my gaming experience is ruined when I go to a zone and find no mining and herb nodes - thus, by the definition, all the players, who collected those nodes are therefore griefing me.

Griefing is the equivalent of saying "I feel offended" irl. It bears absolutely no weight, as it reflects on your personal feelings about the game and not on objective facts.

You come strikingly close to a WoW-SJW in your attempts to redefine terms and claim that being offended by in-game actions should warrant punishment or action from the institution to protect you.

if you tried to come across like a complete moron and provide no real point you did a good job

[HAEVNEREN]

World pvp is what's happening at the moment.

60 lvls camping 60lvls passing brm
35-39 lvl chars fighting 35-39 lvl chars in north svv
45-50 lvl chars fighting 45-50 lvl chars in south Tanaris
this is world pvp

if 60 lvl geared retard killing 10+ lower targets for hours who r chanceless to win due to wow mechanic, its not wpvp its called griefing and only deep idiot cant understand it

It's still world pvp. Many people think it's shit, but geared lvl 60s griefing lower lvls until they log out is still world pvp.