Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts

[Mopar]

The problem is that they banned those players without any warning, for using a built in API call supported in vanilla and that was working as intended also on Nostalrius, and accused those players of exploiting as the reason. it has a strong parallel to the miners in Silithus who were banned without warning for something no one considered to be working incorrectly.

It is DIRECTLY related to this thread, because the thread is about Nostalrius policy of "ban first, warn later" on ambiguous crimes. Read the first two lines of the original post.

[Datruth]

The problem is that they banned those players without any warning, for using a built in API call supported in vanilla and that was working as intended also on Nostalrius, and accused those players of exploiting as the reason. it has a strong parallel to the miners in Silithus who were banned without warning for something no one considered to be working incorrectly.

It is DIRECTLY related to this thread, because the thread is about Nostalrius policy of "ban first, warn later" on ambiguous crimes. Read the first two lines of the original post.

I wasn't commenting on the OP, I was commenting on your DME concerns and I pointed out why they are ridiculous.

I agree the AV situation is ambiguous and could have been handled better, however it have no connection to any of the other bans that have happened on the server, all of them have involved an exploit.

[Mopar]

The DME concerns are there because it involves several common components:

Does it involve a "trick?" Yes. /script ResetInstances(); followed by /camp. This ports you to outside DM west, and means you can exit the instance without dying or having to complete it once you gave jumped down. This provides an "advantage."

Does it allow you to gain "a lot" of gold in "a short" amount of time? Yes. You can farm an epic mount in a week. My wife did this for two mounts on Valkyrie.

Is it playing the game "the way it was meant to be played?" Questionable, and a judgement call that is made by Nost staff, not the players. So, I would say yes. But I also would have said that of mining nodes on a 45 min respawn timer. Nost staff disagreed. People got banned. Not I, however.

So that's why players are asking about it. I agree that it is ridiculous to have to worry about it. But that is the exact issue that this thread is about. The thread is essentially asking Nostalrius to stop using the tactic of banning a few people, the warning them. Instead, they should warn first, then if players don't comply, THEN a ban is appropriate, particularly in something that is borderline whether legit or not, or not obviously a bug.

But since there seems to be no movement in this, players are forced to ask about things that seem like they could be an issue, even when that sounds ridiculous.

Like farming DME.

[Gilnash]

They banned people for using another feature of Lazypig. In that case it was a temp ban, only 10 days. ironically the GM investigating the issue thought that the players had created Lazypig specifically to exploit at first.

You are wrong about that.

[Datruth]

The DME concerns are there because it involves several common components:

Does it involve a "trick?" Yes. /script ResetInstances(); followed by /camp. This ports you to outside DM west, and means you can exit the instance without dying or having to complete it once you gave jumped down. This provides an "advantage."

Does it allow you to gain "a lot" of gold in "a short" amount of time? Yes. You can farm an epic mount in a week. My wife did this for two mounts on Valkyrie.

Is it playing the game "the way it was meant to be played?" Questionable, and a judgement call that is made by Nost staff, not the players. So, I would say yes. But I also would have said that of mining nodes on a 45 min respawn timer. Nost staff disagreed. People got banned. Not I, however.

So that's why players are asking about it. I agree that it is ridiculous to have to worry about it. But that is the exact issue that this thread is about. The thread is essentially asking Nostalrius to stop using the tactic of banning a few people, the warning them. Instead, they should warn first, then if players don't comply, THEN a ban is appropriate, particularly in something that is borderline whether legit or not, or not obviously a bug.

But since there seems to be no movement in this, players are forced to ask about things that seem like they could be an issue, even when that sounds ridiculous.

Like farming DME.

Why do you always go on a rant without reading dude? I already explained multiple times why your concerns are completely ridiculous.

I know how it works, but that script is being used by literally every level60 I know, not just DME farmers. Do you honestly believe they would ban half their community over that script?

I farm DME like a mad man and I don't even use the script. Logging out while in a group have the exact same effect, so I don't see how it's any advantage at all. Are you sure you can even use the script in the scenario you described here on nost? You gotta be outside of the instance for it to work.

I don't understand how misinformation about the miners are still floating around. No one was banned because of the 45 minute timer which is blizzlike, they were banned because the veins didn't alternate spawn locations, which made it possible for the dedicated players to monopolize it, anyone should know that's not how nodes are supposed to work.

"I agree that it is ridiculous to have to worry about it". Don't exploit shit and you're good, no need to worry about anything.

Play the game instead of speculating on the forums. Banhammers aren't being thrown around as wildly as the crybabies in the Support section try to make it seem like in order to gain sympathy from the playerbase. It's too easy to just blame the GMs for your wrong doings.

[Mopar]

The problem that you have is that you are unwilling to consider the possibility that it might be true, because it would threaten your world view.

[Mopar]

They banned people for using another feature of Lazypig. In that case it was a temp ban, only 10 days. ironically the GM investigating the issue thought that the players had created Lazypig specifically to exploit at first.

You are wrong about that.

Perhaps you could elaborate.
https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... Monkeynews

[Mopar]

By the way Datruth, why always head for the ad hominem arguments? My comments are measured. I don't generally rant about anything. And I farm in DME on my lock, and mine in Silithus on my rogue, both before and after the change.

So I'm not sure why you are so hostile when I say I'm concerned about the admin policies, and explain why.

Edit: by the way, why was my rogue NOT banned? Can you answer that? Because I can't.

[Datruth]

The problem that you have is that you are unwilling to consider the possibility that it might be true, because it would threaten your world view.

uhmm, what? My world view? I'm assuming you're assuming my opinion is biased and nostalrius can't do anything wrong in my eyes? I barely ever play on the server anymore, so it wouldn't personally bother me if it crashed and burned tomorrow. Talk about ad hominem, huh?
The only reason I may seem "hostile" is because it's appalling to me how everyone is so quick to sympathize with the "victims". Do you honestly believe the GMs put this much work into the server just to fuck everyone over with permabans randomly thrown around?
If you lurk the forums long enough you will see everyone is exceptionally fast to blame everyone else except for themselves when they get banned, and they will leave out vital information in order to get the communitys sympathy, and judging by these ridiculous threads it's obviously working.

I emphasize, don't exploit OBVIOUS bugs and you will never get permabanned. Feel free to mock me if that ever turns out to be wrong

[zerf]

Didn't you get banned today?