Horde Vs Alliance PvP

[mozibake]

Sure thing kiddo.

[Thatoneguy]

Sure thing kiddo.

Oh the substance

I just saw you post this garbage over here: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=29522

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#hE0zVcZx0bZEc0d0eo

Because no matter what spec you play, leveling a shaman is basically just shocking and auto-attacking, and it's nice to be able to heal instances without carrying an extra set of gear.

I should've never talked to you in the first place. You know nothing.

[mozibake]

For someone complaining of lack of substance, I don't see much of it from you either?

And no, I don't have much(any) vanilla shaman experience. I don't think I ever denied that. But, if you are having to drop the same totem ten times in one fight, you are bad, and might want to consider positioning them better so that they aren't getting immediately stomped. IE don't run right fucking in and immediately drop tremor totem next to the priest who is about to AoE fear, considering that if you are ~20 yards away you are:
*Outside AoE fear range
*Within shock range
*Close enough for the initial pulse to break the fear on whatever melee dpsers just got scattered
A very easy scenario to set up during, say, fights in the flag room in WSG. Imagine yourself near the middle of the flag room, with a friendly rogue attacking the enemy flag-carrying priest who has just started running down the ramp. You, being conveniently out of range when the priest uses her (I am imagining a female Dwarf for some reason) AoE fear, close a few yards and drop your totem so that it breaks the rogue's fear. The rogue then continues on his merry, stabby way. Although the original purpose of the argument is lost there because there is about a 98% chance that said Horde rogue is Undead anyway.

PS the build you quoted was a gimmick build where I was looking for a way to be ele/resto and still have fast ghost wolf. It didn't really work. Experimenting with garbage builds and realizing that they're garbage is part of learning a class. And I don't really see what's incorrect about the specific bit you quoted, if you wanted to make me look stupid you should have quoted the other part. Also you ``just saw´´ me post a 3 week old post, in a thread you yourself posted in. Give me a break, ``kid´´.

edit: added bold underlined italicized ``autism quotes´´ for extra emphasis.

[Thatoneguy]

There you go again with the personal insults, you really are the example of maturity.

A very easy scenario to set up during, say, fights in the flag room in WSG. Imagine yourself near the middle of the flag room, with a friendly rogue attacking the enemy flag-carrying priest who has just started running down the ramp. You, being conveniently out of range when the priest uses her (I am imagining a female Dwarf for some reason) AoE fear, close a few yards and drop your totem so that it breaks the rogue's fear. The rogue then continues on his merry, stabby way. Although the original purpose of the argument is lost there because there is about a 98% chance that said Horde rogue is Undead anyway.[/b].

What is up with your constant 2v1 situations? Previously it was an enemy rogue destroying the totems and now it's a friendly Undead Rogue helping the Shaman out. Anyway, thank you for providing an example that shows exactly how OP WoTF can be, which was the point of our discussion in the first place.

Your scenario is exactly what that I talked about earlier. Without WoTF you have to play defensive and with it you can be offensive. Without it you rely on a team mate and with it you could've solo'd that carrying flag Priest. That one racial completely changes everything. Orcs, Taurens and Trolls don't have that big of an impact, especially not in this case. The same goes for that Rogue, because he is Undead he didn't need a conveniently placed Shaman to kill that Priest.

I'd like to thank you for providing a scenario that shows exactly how OP WoTF is

[mozibake]

Personal insults are where? And yeah, you'll see in the post I linked a page back or so that I said yes, WoTF is extremely useful in this extremely specific(yet fairly common) situation of being a rogue trying not to get peeled off a priest or warlock. As compared to the much less situational 25% stun resist or 2 second AoE stun or free FAP on a 1.5m CD. WoTF is a great racial but it being some kind of astonishingly overpowered is mostly a meme. Human and Troll racials are pure garbage, all other ones have pretty equal situational usefulness.

One rogue breaking out of fear probably won't have as much impact on a group battle as say, the healer stunning several enemy melee DPS with war stomp or resisting a kidney shot.

Also, the situation remains unchanged if we swap in, say, a Tauren warrior or an Orc warlock equipped with a felhunter instead of the Undead rogue. Which reinforces my original point, that there are a ton of fear breaks in game already. If you play a class that can already break fears, WoTF is of little added utility compared to most other racials.

[trorsmang]

horde priests & shamans just don't know bout dat counter to paladin utility called dispel/purge

This lol

[Muhsogyny]

How does dispel/purge counter cleanse?

[Halcyon702]

How does dispel/purge counter cleanse?

Oh idk, since cleanse is all paladins are good for u know

[Muhsogyny]

Oh idk, since cleanse is all paladins are good for u know

It's what they spend 70% of their time doing

[vathdaar]

Purge Blessing of sacrifice > they stay cced > they cant cleanse.

Yes, purge it from all targets. thats the difference between a good player and a bad one as hard as it sounds.