Brethren's Opinion on his newly aqcuired Tank mace.

[Badtank]

He never called him a ninja.

Sure, you're right that doesn't make this thread any better. A BoE is a fucking BoE, espically an epic. If the entire group agrees to let one person have it to equip that's on that group. General rules are always if anyone wants it they can roll on it if it's boe for any purpose if they want it. If we are in a group and stockade pads drop and you know they go for 500g+ will you pass them to because they are BiS? Fuck no you won't and I would never expect you to becuase that would be totally ridiculous. You don't know me and you don't owe me anything, you earned the drop just as much as I did.

[Exzes]

Well thats clearly bs, still tf isn`t BiS either...

Hands down TF was the best weapon for holding aggro esp AoE, ...strictly speaking stat wise you are correct.
But I used it through AQ40 into Naxx
Towards the end of vanilla (we never finished Naxx) I'd use it to pull then swap once I had sufficient aggro.

For AoE Aggro yes, for threat per second on bosses, wich becomes your biggest concern once people get geared Alcor's sunrazer is without doubt the best.

[Badtank]

Well thats clearly bs, still tf isn`t BiS either...

Hands down TF was the best weapon for holding aggro esp AoE, ...strictly speaking stat wise you are correct.
But I used it through AQ40 into Naxx
Towards the end of vanilla (we never finished Naxx) I'd use it to pull then swap once I had sufficient aggro.

For AoE Aggro yes, for threat per second on bosses, wich becomes your biggest concern once people get geared Alcor's sunrazer is without doubt the best.

If you can't hold threat with a thunderfury, I don't even know what to say about you.

[Nekrolyte]

[Armilus]

lol i bet he's in Exiled, since that's where the retards tend to go

Sorry your application was denied. Better luck with the next guild you try to join.

[Imbaslap]

upon further investigation,
everyone was intended on needing the item beforehand and even shows yahveh rolling on the item as well.
this is only showing part of the whole story and is inclusive on showing dissentient towards one person who actually won the roll.

we do not control what goes on in a PUG dungeon group nor can argue the fact that the other members in the party are stating that he did not ninja the item. it was a fair roll and one member misclicked greed.

I apologize for your loss on a roll for a world drop epic.
the argument will have to be taken within the party members of that group Rainey.

[zipzo]

I'm sorry, but since when is needing on an item that the ENTIRE group of people has access to rolling on considered a ninja?

How to decide if this was a 'real' ninja:

1. Were loot rules established at the beginning of the instance stating any BOE's will go to that specific class?
- No

2. Was the loot changed to Master Loot and then given directly to the player in question without people given a chance to roll?
- No

Sorry but, this does not fit the defined term as 'ninja'. Just butthurt players losing on item rolls, as usual.

No, I'm sorry, because it appears you missed the boat on looting ethics in MMOs.

First of all, your point is flawed, because then the only logical way to "ninja" something would be to have to have it master looted to you, and that is not the only form of ninja-ing the word encompasses.

You could essentially say that any drop, BOE or not, isn't ninja'd if any random class rolls on it, going by your assertions, and we all know that's obviously not true. BOE's are not special, they fall under the same ethic as BOP items. In the case of a BOE, if it's an upgrade for you, roll need and equip it. Otherwise everyone needs to roll greed. Even if nobody in the group needed it as an upgrade, everybody should still roll greed. That's what the greed option is for. It's the "I want it for my greed, IE sell/dowhateverIwantwithit" option. Need, means you need it. You need to use it. Needing it because you need gold is faulty.

This is why most raiding guilds master loot, obviously, but in random groups using master loot is chancing your definition of a ninja happening more often. It's a shitty line you have to walk in random groups, between two terribly catered loot systems, so it would do the world (of warcraft) a lot of good if you just abided by these invisible rules while pugging instead of making waves and causing friction with guidelines that have taken years to mold the way they are.

[Orcduck]

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lmfao

[Casperz]

Obviously he lied about his motives for rolling need, claiming to be giving it to a noble cause (guild tank). The item aside, intentionally deceiving others makes him a scumbag.

[Flatt]

bumping Brethren is still in the guild, the GM's of <Blacklisted> are endorsing and actively encouraging this type of behavior. It's as clear as day in the screenshots the warlock took an item that he could not use, away from the tank who agreed to equipt it.