Shaman or paladin which one is the strongest [Debate]

[Ardeith]

I think you forget some important point about Healing Paladin in PvP.

Paladin is probably the best healer and support class for alliance in PvP ( even both side really ) for some obvious reasons :
- Low cost magic / poison dispel, and has a good mana sustain.
- Bubulle 12 s of full healing spam no matter how bad the situation is.
- Rogue cant kill them in a few sec ( unlike a priest or a druid in normal form ). Even more if they are reckbomb heal spec ( Holy + reckbomb ). Paladin > Rogue.
- Priest get raped alliance side because they get fully purged by shaman or shadow priest, and they cant really escape.
- Druid see all their hot purged most of the time ( Shaman again ), they are still best flag carrier for WSG and got the best Instant heals in the game ( they are pretty decent in CC aswell, stun root silence ), but not as helpfull as a paladin in a group fight. Druid really shines in skirmish.
- 2 Paladin is an OP combo with dispel control of each other combined with 2 Blessing of sacrifice. Almost unmanageable if played well.

But still paladin got some weakness like fear, Magic damage, Warlock ( curse of tongue + fear ), kicks, silence.
A reckbomb heal paladin with 200 shadow resist is probably the most pain in the ass that you could ever encounter.

So my opinion is that Paladin is probably one of the best PvP healer in the game, and Shaman is mostly an hybrid damage / healer with an amazing burst. They both reflect their side : Horde = aggressive, Alliance = defensive

Sry for Ret paladin, but unless you have a good gear, you are way more usefull as a healer.

Note : And i didnt talk about the wombo combo warrior / pal.

[alucard001]

@Ardeith Agree

[Netherfrost]

Oh you're rooted, so the enemy team actually has a chance to catch up to the flag carrying druid? No problem, blessing of freedom

[Hatson]

blessing of freedom

Purge.
It's simple.
Paladins are defensive.
Shamans are aggressive.

Besides everyone will be stocked up on FAP and magic dust anyway. FAP > BoF

[TheLockKing]

ok what? exorcism and holy wrath arnt that good at all. exorcism is aight but 15 second cool down and holy wrath 1 minute cool down and like 2+ second cast time. so thats bad for dps unless ur counting aoe dps which doesnt mean nothing. exorcism barley boosts paladins damage
also chain lighting useless? also only cc undead? what are you talking about you got repentance and hammer of justice

Chain Lightning sucked. Too much mana cost for the little damage it pushed out. Hammer of Justice is 6 seconds with a 1 min cooldown (less if you talent Imp. HoJ). Repentance is a 31 talent for, guess what, 6 seconds of CC. Compare to the minute long Sap, the 15+ second Fear, the 20+ second Polymorph.. Their best CC is Turn Undead.

I think you forget some important point about Healing Paladin in PvP.

Paladin is probably the best healer and support class for alliance in PvP ( even both side really ) for some obvious reasons :
- Low cost magic / poison dispel, and has a good mana sustain.
- Bubulle 12 s of full healing spam no matter how bad the situation is.
- Rogue cant kill them in a few sec ( unlike a priest or a druid in normal form ). Even more if they are reckbomb heal spec ( Holy + reckbomb ). Paladin > Rogue.
- Priest get raped alliance side because they get fully purged by shaman or shadow priest, and they cant really escape.
- Druid see all their hot purged most of the time ( Shaman again ), they are still best flag carrier for WSG and got the best Instant heals in the game ( they are pretty decent in CC aswell, stun root silence ), but not as helpfull as a paladin in a group fight. Druid really shines in skirmish.
- 2 Paladin is an OP combo with dispel control of each other combined with 2 Blessing of sacrifice. Almost unmanageable if played well.

But still paladin got some weakness like fear, Magic damage, Warlock ( curse of tongue + fear ), kicks, silence.
A reckbomb heal paladin with 200 shadow resist is probably the most pain in the ass that you could ever encounter.

So my opinion is that Paladin is probably one of the best PvP healer in the game, and Shaman is mostly an hybrid damage / healer with an amazing burst. They both reflect their side : Horde = aggressive, Alliance = defensive

Sry for Ret paladin, but unless you have a good gear, you are way more usefull as a healer.

Note : And i didnt talk about the wombo combo warrior / pal.

Never touched real PvP (duels never count in my book ;D) with my Paladin till TBC, so I can't really give my input there. Makes sense though.

[Stormreaver]

They're both stupid strong in their own ways.

dumb argument

ur bad

True. This is a pointless debate..

[pasiutlige]

It feels like Im back to 2005 or 2006 was it?

Better not start the PvE comparison, since really, they can never be together, and both bring in too much different things. Nothing is close to windfury totem and nothing is close to Seal of Light/Wisdom.

PvP? Telling that shaman has sustained damage is ridiculous, unless you mean a standing target that does nothing. Because lets get serious, the moment you get kicked in to a single cast you are nothing but standing target yourself with your entire arsenal locked out except for frost shock, which is never enough. And dont get me on the mana problems. Chain Lightning? Oh you mean that spell that literaly spills mana from your pockets? And when talking about ridiculous gear, anything will one shot anything when equipped in AQ/Naxx items.

And dont think I'm just making fun of shaman. Paladin is completely full of same problems when it comes to PvP. lets not forget that there are only two ways to go (I'm not counting the Holy Shock build, because it is a niche build that can one shot a player, but thats pretty much it, and it requires end game gear to perform at all). so either your are someone's bitch (lets be serious, that warrior is your friend only because you are good at suc... I mean, healing) or you are LOLret. And oh god, Im guilty of how much I love that ret... It has so much right, and so much wrong at same time! Sustained damage? Who the hell needs sustained damage when you can reckoning someone face and it just drops dead. Did that rogue just use Evasion? Well, for the next 15 seconds I will be completely useless and run the other way. It had mana problems, it suffered from RNG, but god damn it was fun to one shot someones face because he just happened to crit me.
But let's be serious, noone will ever let you roll on that sexy warrior gear in AQ40, so you migt aswell reroll holy.

[showtime]

It feels like Im back to 2005 or 2006 was it?

Better not start the PvE comparison, since really, they can never be together, and both bring in too much different things. Nothing is close to windfury totem and nothing is close to Seal of Light/Wisdom.

PvP? Telling that shaman has sustained damage is ridiculous, unless you mean a standing target that does nothing. Because lets get serious, the moment you get kicked in to a single cast you are nothing but standing target yourself with your entire arsenal locked out except for frost shock, which is never enough. And dont get me on the mana problems. Chain Lightning? Oh you mean that spell that literaly spills mana from your pockets? And when talking about ridiculous gear, anything will one shot anything when equipped in AQ/Naxx items.

And dont think I'm just making fun of shaman. Paladin is completely full of same problems when it comes to PvP. lets not forget that there are only two ways to go (I'm not counting the Holy Shock build, because it is a niche build that can one shot a player, but thats pretty much it, and it requires end game gear to perform at all). so either your are someone's bitch (lets be serious, that warrior is your friend only because you are good at suc... I mean, healing) or you are LOLret. And oh god, Im guilty of how much I love that ret... It has so much right, and so much wrong at same time! Sustained damage? Who the hell needs sustained damage when you can reckoning someone face and it just drops dead. Did that rogue just use Evasion? Well, for the next 15 seconds I will be completely useless and run the other way. It had mana problems, it suffered from RNG, but god damn it was fun to one shot someones face because he just happened to crit me.
But let's be serious, noone will ever let you roll on that sexy warrior gear in AQ40, so you migt aswell reroll holy.

shockadin isnt that good in vanilla. you wont be 1 shotting many people with that. also reckoning is not really considered ret either

[Hatson]

shockadin isnt that good in vanilla. you wont be 1 shotting many people with that. also reckoning is not really considered ret either

And especially because of the item progression we will have on Nostalrius release - playing such hybrid / "different" specs for cool purposes like a Shockadin, will be far from as effective (or even worse) than anyone remembered - at least until the items get buffed later.

[Beabington]

Chain Lightning sucked.