Vis'kag The Bloodletter nerfed? 55.2 dps to 45.7 ?

[nervous]

Honestly, I don't mind waiting an extra month or two for new content if it means they get it right. My only fear is too many guilds lose too much of their cores before new content comes out.

I don't know a single raid guild that came here pre-launch that still has more than 50-60% of its original roster.

[Robotron]

Hopefully AV comes out soon. I'm thinking it will tide people over for a while, maybe enough until BWL is released.

Also, speaking of "fixing" items, let's talk about Bonereaver's Edge. I mean, since Vis'kag got nerfed into the ground because that's how it was supposed to be in 1.3.2, let's make sure the same thing happens to BRE. It's only fair, right?

[Badtank]

The complaints are coming from there being next to NO, caster gear. NONE. DM gave us what 2 maybe 3 good pieces? Holy shit the only even halfway decent weapon for caster DPS in any raid right now is azuresong, and it's what 8 int better then a mara drop. You really think that's ok?



Let's not even go into what it's like for the weird specs right now because of this nonsense of 8 debuff for a sad attempt at making content harder that locks out a ton of interesting play and somehow manged to make warlocks more brain-dead then frost mages. Are really having a good time doing MC every week for basically bonus loot and rag drops? That's so much god damn fun let me tell you. Sharding half your loot when you are barley 3 months into raiding is not exactly fun.



Not only that but this entire nerfed system came about from a suggestion way back when as a means to make content harder and I feel it's pretty much been shown to be a absolute failure. So why the hell are we still doing it? Hell on top of that that was only a back up suggestion and the real suggestion was to buff the bosses to make it more of a challenge.

Yet instead of we go with a system that devalues what loot you earn because it's worse then greens! Hell some items are not even comparable, 4 fire damage on warlock tier 1 boots! Are you kidding me?!?! The reason this stuff existed for longer in retail was no one understood what gear was good and Rag didn't even die until patch 1.4! If people had had even half the knowledge we do now people would be up in arms about how crap the loot was back then as well!



But hell let's go back to the argument about that one thread, that one thread huh just didn't matter? At least half of the players that decided to roll here and help to advertise this server at the start came here because of a posted timeline. All of the veteran private servers that came here to play and did wonders for this server. Everyone of those players were lied to, outright.

This server succeeded in part because of that thread and it's disingenuous to try and discount that. Hell it's been so long now that when BWL finally does come out, it's going to get cleared day one because everyone is all ready max BiS possible it won't even resemble a challenge. So going off that we are going to right back to raid logging in no time flat, only difference will be two raid days a week. At the going rate we are not even going to see ZG tell next year and AQ tell who knows when.



So yeah when they go and nerf items for no fucking reason it's going to generate some god damn aggro. You don't poke a hornets next when it's all ready agitated. Maybe instead of nerfing an item that should be getting re-buffed in what two weeks at the latest, at least I hope so it should not take them this long to "test" av since they had said pre-launch it was 100% ready, maybe they should be making post's addressing the pilling issues such as terrible server lag, lack of content and continued lack of communication from the dev team.

[Robotron]

Rag didn't even die until patch 1.4!

Actually, he died a week and a half before patch 1.4. World first kill was around April 25th, and 1.4 was May 5th.

BWL finally does come out, it's going to get cleared day one because everyone is all ready max BiS possible it won't even resemble a challenge.

Lack of Onyxia Scale Cloaks will gate people on Nef for a week or two, maybe. She drops 2-4 scales, and guilds will have at most 4 kills before the first BWL reset.

Maybe instead of nerfing an item that should be getting re-buffed in what two weeks at the latest, at least I hope so it should not take them this long to "test" av since they had said pre-launch it was 100% ready, maybe they should be making post's addressing the pilling issues such as terrible server lag, lack of content and continued lack of communication from the dev team.

AV really does need to come out, and the devs' silence over the past few months is extremely annoying. What happened to the frequent dev communication in March?

[Badtank]

You're right about rag but I mean it's all pretty much a wash when it was that close. Even then that makes me more mad I always assumed that video was 1.4 as stated because it shows rag dropping 4 pieces of loot yet we currently only get 3. Also the guilds that care will split up to two ony's and get 4-8 scales the first week and that will be enough. You can work with that, I mean really you only need your tanks to have them a healer or two. Everyone else can LoS shadowflame.

[Robotron]

I heard something about Nef's Shadowflame (the one where he gases the raid before phase 2), but I'm not exactly sure how it works. I know you only need a few cloaks pre-Nef, so that's not an issue. That's why I said "maybe" about the gating thing.

[Aten]

The complaints are coming from there being next to NO, caster gear. NONE. DM gave us what 2 maybe 3 good pieces? Holy shit the only even halfway decent weapon for caster DPS in any raid right now is azuresong, and it's what 8 int better then a mara drop. You really think that's ok?



Let's not even go into what it's like for the weird specs right now because of this nonsense of 8 debuff for a sad attempt at making content harder that locks out a ton of interesting play and somehow manged to make warlocks more brain-dead then frost mages. Are really having a good time doing MC every week for basically bonus loot and rag drops? That's so much god damn fun let me tell you. Sharding half your loot when you are barley 3 months into raiding is not exactly fun.



Not only that but this entire nerfed system came about from a suggestion way back when as a means to make content harder and I feel it's pretty much been shown to be a absolute failure. So why the hell are we still doing it? Hell on top of that that was only a back up suggestion and the real suggestion was to buff the bosses to make it more of a challenge.

Yet instead of we go with a system that devalues what loot you earn because it's worse then greens! Hell some items are not even comparable, 4 fire damage on warlock tier 1 boots! Are you kidding me?!?! The reason this stuff existed for longer in retail was no one understood what gear was good and Rag didn't even die until patch 1.4! If people had had even half the knowledge we do now people would be up in arms about how crap the loot was back then as well!



But hell let's go back to the argument about that one thread, that one thread huh just didn't matter? At least half of the players that decided to roll here and help to advertise this server at the start came here because of a posted timeline. All of the veteran private servers that came here to play and did wonders for this server. Everyone of those players were lied to, outright.

This server succeeded in part because of that thread and it's disingenuous to try and discount that. Hell it's been so long now that when BWL finally does come out, it's going to get cleared day one because everyone is all ready max BiS possible it won't even resemble a challenge. So going off that we are going to right back to raid logging in no time flat, only difference will be two raid days a week. At the going rate we are not even going to see ZG tell next year and AQ tell who knows when.



So yeah when they go and nerf items for no fucking reason it's going to generate some god damn aggro. You don't poke a hornets next when it's all ready agitated. Maybe instead of nerfing an item that should be getting re-buffed in what two weeks at the latest, at least I hope so it should not take them this long to "test" av since they had said pre-launch it was 100% ready, maybe they should be making post's addressing the pilling issues such as terrible server lag, lack of content and continued lack of communication from the dev team.

I understand your gripes, but fuck man, were playing a 10 year old orc simulator with devs who work for free. Go outside, experience life. Try it again in the fall.

[nervous]

Lack of Onyxia Scale Cloaks will gate people on Nef for a week or two, maybe. She drops 2-4 scales, and guilds will have at most 4 kills before the first BWL reset.

AV really does need to come out, and the devs' silence over the past few months is extremely annoying. What happened to the frequent dev communication in March?

Ony scale cloaks won't gate a single guild. I already see certain guilds with soulstone alts parked outside the MC entrance.

Even then, if they left it "blizzlike", you'd be able to LoS shadowflame in a few areas which makes the cloaks irrelevant anyways.

[Stalk]

... or you could just make it difficult like it was for the beginner guilds that didn't know about the Line-of-Sight bug with the throne and have the landing Shadowflame hit everyone regardless of where they stand in the room. It is a flame that engulfs the entire atmosphere of the room where it happens. Why should a tiny chair prevent that?

39 players waiting behind a chair... much blizzlike, so challenge

[Badtank]

... or you could just make it difficult like it was for the beginner guilds that didn't know about the Line-of-Sight bug with the throne and have the landing Shadowflame hit everyone regardless of where they stand in the room. It is a flame that engulfs the entire atmosphere of the room where it happens. Why should a tiny chair prevent that?

39 players waiting behind a chair... much blizzlike, so challenge

You don't seem to understand what blizzlike is.