Frankly all you banned people can shut the F*#k up

[Monkeynews]

+1 OP

Butt buddying up together to play against people who don't know each other is as cheap as it gets. You douchebags are weak. If I was joining BGs everyday and had the misfortune of finding mouth breathing premades I'd be extremely disappointed. You guys are gaming the system, you guys are stacking the odds in your favor, it is cheap. all this bitching about wanting to be unbanned is pathetic, trying to justify my few statements above as not cheating is funny. Lame ass cheap players like you are the few rotten apples that ruin it for everyone else. Get a life.

There should be a premade queue and a solo random queue.

Please permaban these queers who think they're gods at the game and can get away with whatever they want. You guys are only mad because you got caught. Now here you are bitching n whining trying to convince the guys who run the server to allow you to continue being a bitch and ruining thousands of other players good times. Fuck off.

Lol. Look how many insults you are throwing. And automatically assume we think we are better or more important than you. There are hundreds of post just like this all over the forums. You are so mad because you watched a vurtne pvp movie and think you can come along and be hot shit. This is how vanilla wow has always been and will always be.

Truth is though.. I should get real. You could name the circumstances, choose my gear, and i'll always humiliate a player like you. PVE or PVP. You are toxic and maybe you should get a life mate coming out with bs such as this.

[crime]

Arucado - Firstly, resorting to insults doesnt win you an argument, were not in middleschool anymore. Present positions and defend your positions thats how the big boys do it. If you cant play nice u should just stay home.

My OP was simply to express my outrage that these people would flame the admin's so hard for there ban, when they were doing something they knew was against the spirit of the what was intended (even if they wern't testers id still be applauding a ban, were all adults here - you know when your taking advantage of a bug/poor script). This is a free private server where the admins work very hard to provide us a great environment to play in and they dont need or deserve to be flamed by a small faction that want to take advantage of any small flaw in the programming to gain unfair advantages over the rest of the community.

To clarify my positon since you asked:

PVE guilds should go hard, anything and everything within the spirit of the game should be applauded. Guilds like Nope and Grizz that played like fiends and went in consumed to the max and cleared MC should be given the props they deserve.

PVP is different, its fundamentally two groups of players that impact each others enjoyment of the game. When one small group of 40ish people is doing something that is ruining the game for the rest of the 9,000 players it should be addressed. I dont think they should be banned for pre-mading because thats stupid, but premading in general should be removed because its detrimental to the server (because new players give up and stop playing because PvP is garbage, its not about fighting and having fun its about a small group of people farming R14 gear).

TDLR: A small group that have zero impact on the overall health of the server should not be allowed to ruin the experience for the rest of us, Blizzard didnt identify this problem until the game had been out for several years and implemented may things to prevent premade vs pug bullshit, just because this is 'vanilla' doesnt mean its the same game as 10 years ago, the players have changes, behaviors have changed and the sever needs to adjust accordingly.

[impossible]

My OP was simply to express my outrage that these people would flame the admin's so hard for there ban, when they were doing something they knew was against the spirit of the what was intended (even if they wern't testers id still be applauding a ban, were all adults here - you know when your taking advantage of a bug/poor script). This is a free private server where the admins work very hard to provide us a great environment to play in and they dont need or deserve to be flamed by a small faction that want to take advantage of any small flaw in the programming to gain unfair advantages over the rest of the community.

This is where everything falls apart. It was allowed on retail. Are you stupid? What exactly are you trying to achieve with all of this?

Knowingly taking advantage of exactly what? A line that... Blizzard... themselves? Implemented and approved for client use in 2006? "Free private server [...]" is not even a valid argument in this context. What do you mean by taking advantage? Two factions fight against each other, and you do so by grouping up. Both sides can do this, unless you are mentally challenged on a severe level.

[crime]

impossible - insulting people doesnt win you an argument, your entire post makes little to know sense but i'll try and respond.

Group/raid queuing was disabled in retail wow almost immediately after AV was released due to guilds forming raids. Blizzard were very clear that the change to remove group queuing was to preserve the balance of the BG, the fact that there was a work around imbedded in the game wasnt widely known and i'm sure if it had become a problem Blizzard would have fixed it.

Here's the fundamental problem with all of the argument saying "this is how it was on retail", the game constantly evolved as the player based evolved. As the player base evolved the experience in PvP was not what was intended so Blizz made changes to bring it back inline. (Premade vs premade etc etc etc) The problem with taking a moment of time (Vanilla 1.12 for instance) and saying everything should work exactly like it did then is that it ignores the fact that the player base has evolved. They nerfed the bejesus out of Engineering after Vanilla because they realized it was simply too powerful in PvP is a great example of them fundamentally changing the game to address the fact that towards the end of Vanilla all of the serious PvP players picked it up and were rolling hard.

TDLR: Its clear when the group queue button is disabled on the warmaster that it was not intended for you to be able to group queue. The fact that you know a work around doesnt absolve you of your decision to take steps to circumvent the intended way the content works. That is a bannable offense. So sit down, enjoy your week off and next time dont take advantage of exploits to get around the way things are supposed to work.

[milkribs4k]

My OP was simply to express my outrage that these people would flame the admin's so hard for there ban, when they were doing something they knew was against the spirit of the what was intended (even if they wern't testers id still be applauding a ban, were all adults here - you know when your taking advantage of a bug/poor script). This is a free private server where the admins work very hard to provide us a great environment to play in and they dont need or deserve to be flamed by a small faction that want to take advantage of any small flaw in the programming to gain unfair advantages over the rest of the community.

This is where everything falls apart. It was allowed on retail. Are you stupid? What exactly are you trying to achieve with all of this?

Knowingly taking advantage of exactly what? A line that... Blizzard... themselves? Implemented and approved for client use in 2006? "Free private server [...]" is not even a valid argument in this context. What do you mean by taking advantage? Two factions fight against each other, and you do so by grouping up. Both sides can do this, unless you are mentally challenged on a severe level.

Ok, so there are 3 battlegrounds each on of them except 1 have group queuing available through the ingame interface but you can still group queue that one through the /script function corresponding to group queue. Did you perhaps think they left that in so that the only the truly smart elite players like yourselves would be able to group queue? It was obvious this was an oversight by the programmer and you decided to exploit it.

[Vanillacoke]

Group/raid queuing was disabled in retail wow almost immediately after AV was released due to guilds forming raids. Blizzard were very clear that the change to remove group queuing was to preserve the balance of the BG, the fact that there was a work around imbedded in the game wasnt widely known and i'm sure if it had become a problem Blizzard would have fixed it.

Wrong. Group queing AV was not disabled until wotlk. Some other dude posted evidence where blizzard specifically told people that group queing in AV was not a bannable offence. You might be right, if it had been a big problem they would've fixed it. Obviously people are far more knowledgable about the game 10 years later, but the reason we are all playing 1.12 is because we enjoy this version, WITH all the bugs and broken shit.

If nos didn't want group queing in AV they could have disabled that function (just like Feenix has) but they havn't. They blame the testers for "keeping this information from us" but in reality the devs just have very little clue of what they're doing.

Instead of banning people straight away for it, they could've said "What you're doing right now is not allowed on our server, please stop." and I can guarantee you that no one would continue. There, problem fixed.

If something was allowed on retail, and not specifically stated that it was not allowed on nos in the ToS, how would players know? No one intentionally went OUT OF THEIR way to brake the rules.

Here's the fundamental problem with all of the argument saying "this is how it was on retail", the game constantly evolved as the player based evolved. As the player base evolved the experience in PvP was not what was intended so Blizz made changes to bring it back inline. (Premade vs premade etc etc etc) The problem with taking a moment of time (Vanilla 1.12 for instance) and saying everything should work exactly like it did then is that it ignores the fact that the player base has evolved. They nerfed the bejesus out of Engineering after Vanilla because they realized it was simply too powerful in PvP is a great example of them fundamentally changing the game to address the fact that towards the end of Vanilla all of the serious PvP players picked it up and were rolling hard.

But mate, this is the game we CHOOSE to play. With all of it's flaws. Engineering is OP as fuck, but it's available to all of us. Premading is by far the most efficient way to grind ranks, but it's available to all of us. Classes are not balance by a mile, but we all knew this coming into this version.

1.12 IS NOT FAIR. It just isn't! Blizzard changed their game fundamentally because they realised that the casuals in the game were not able to do all the things that the hardcore players did, or get the same gear, same ranks and so on.

And the game that they changed WoW into is not the game that we enjoy, hence why we come back. But the problem with you people is that you don't seem to understand this.

Everybody seems to be OK with the idea that if you want to get good PvE gear you need to join a guild and raid. Why is it so strange that if you want r13-r14 you need to join a PvP group and grind? I'm sorry, it's just not possible to do alone, now get over it.

The honor system is quite great in 1.12 actually, I'm sure you know how it works. If I'm playing alone and constantly loosing to alliance premades, I get a certain amount of honor each week. All the other 200 players in the same situation get the same amount of honor as me each week. Now if I would want to gain ranks faster I would have to do something different, so lets say I gather a few friends and semi prem, now we start winning a bit more and I'm ahead of all these other 200 guys. This is a GREAT design! It encourages competition, there is nothing wrong with this!

The highest ranks and best gear shouldn't be avaible to everyone, then it removes the achievment of getting it. As Monkeynews has stated several times, if you don't want to play in a prem then queue on mondays through wednesdays when premades are capped, or if the premade is running AB, just queue WSG that day, now that we have AV, this is a great way for players to play solo.

The problem is that you people think you deserve to have everything without putting in any effort, it doesn't work that way.

[Zelious]

Lol @ telling thousands of other players to play around your schedule and honor caps because you lack real lives and leech off the people around you. You think the solution to you guys gaming the system should be at the expense of thousands of others players? "Just queue mon-Wednesday " the audacity you morons have.

Let me break it down. Normal players, average players, regular people whom most likely make up the vast majority of the servers population, do not organize full premades for BGs. Retards like you, people with no lives, no jobs, find other miserable people with similar aspirations and butt buddy up in order to demolish players whom are playing as intended, solo.

This is cheap. This is stacking odds in your favor by means of exploiting a script that is obviously not condoned by the GMs, hence your bans. Again, you retards. You're arguing bullshit. If they banned you it's because they mean business. Let me guess, you guys are ignorant to the fact that you're ruining BGs for everyone by dodging? Well everyone else, including the GMs are aware. This is them putting a kabosh on your circle jerk.

This has nothing to do with gear and ranks, and everything to do with a small sample size going e peen crazy at the expense of thousands. You guys loved getting away with it, there was no downside because it only negatively affected the entire rest of the server. Now here you are in drones ra ra ra'ing because the GMs finally stuck up for the rest of the server. You're the vocal no lifer minority, I represent the average 9'5'er, you guys leave the server rejoices, the majority of us leave and the server has no population and no one for you guys to show off your e peens to. Not to mention no population = dead mmo. To put it simply, you retards are replaceable by elite players whom play legit and you will hopefully continue to get banned until all of your kind is weeded out. That is the key to this server fulfilling its potential.

[DeeMarie]

Here's the fundamental problem with all of the argument saying "this is how it was on retail", the game constantly evolved as the player based evolved

I don't know about anybody else but I came here to play classic, with all the issues and inconvenience and actual group play. If you don't want that, live is thataway with your 'evolved' playerbase. If Nos don't want that then they need to stop shitting on the cone and trying to call it vanilla and let guilds make a choice of whether to stay or leave.

[Vanillacoke]

Lol @ telling thousands of other players to play around your schedule and honor caps because you lack real lives and leech off the people around you. You think the solution to you guys gaming the system should be at the expense of thousands of others players? "Just queue mon-Wednesday " the audacity you morons have.

Let me break it down. Normal players, average players, regular people whom most likely make up the vast majority of the servers population, do not organize full premades for BGs. Retards like you, people with no lives, no jobs, find other miserable people with similar aspirations and butt buddy up in order to demolish players whom are playing as intended, solo.

This is cheap. This is stacking odds in your favor by means of exploiting a script that is obviously not condoned by the GMs, hence your bans. Again, you retards. You're arguing bullshit. If they banned you it's because they mean business. Let me guess, you guys are ignorant to the fact that you're ruining BGs for everyone by dodging? Well everyone else, including the GMs are aware. This is them putting a kabosh on your circle jerk.

This has nothing to do with gear and ranks, and everything to do with a small sample size going e peen crazy at the expense of thousands. You guys loved getting away with it, there was no downside because it only negatively affected the entire rest of the server. Now here you are in drones ra ra ra'ing because the GMs finally stuck up for the rest of the server. You're the vocal no lifer minority, I represent the average 9'5'er, you guys leave the server rejoices, the majority of us leave and the server has no population and no one for you guys to show off your e peens to. Not to mention no population = dead mmo. To put it simply, you retards are replaceable by elite players whom play legit and you will hopefully continue to get banned until all of your kind is weeded out. That is the key to this server fulfilling its potential.

Oh I'm sorry, is this about my real life situation? That's what all of you do, hurts you so much being #2 that you automatically resort to insulting our real life. We don't mind, we've heard it all before.

Listen, you are salty because you are not able to do what these players can, so you wish that you can have the same rewards but without putting in the effort.

Was the game intended to play solo? Oh jeez man I thought we were playing an mmo here, guess I must've been wrong.

This is cheap. This is stacking odds in your favor by means of exploiting a script that is obviously not condoned by the GMs, hence your bans.

Again, how would we know that they considered this an offence? Should we just guess? All evidence points toward it being allowed, since nos is a blizzlike server and this was allowed on retail.

Let me take a wild guess here and say that this is your first 1.12 private you've played?

[Zelious]

I'm not envious of their gear or ranks. I don't like cheating.

I hate when people do anything to gain an unfair advantage over other players playing fair.

It kills the game. It becomes trivial. Instead of who's good and who's committed, it becomes whom is able to slip thru the cracks best and weasel their way to the top. It destroys the integrity of the game.

Your kind needs to go.