I never understood this "PvE = carebears" mentality

[Tinkertown]

You shouldn't let getting called carebear by pre-teen sociopaths get to you. Shake it off and move on. Move on to the PvE realm where you are not only safe from their wasting your precious few hours of game time but also don't have to read their antics in worldchat. You'd be surprised (though probably not that surprised) how much less crap is spewed on the average PvE server.

[Oitake]

I wanna be a carebear
PvE will be great when I'm a carebear
I can finally quest when I'm a carebear
and do the things that carebears do
Oh, I wanna be a carebear, like you!

[gotmilk0112]

You shouldn't let getting called carebear by pre-teen sociopaths get to you.

Who said I'm "letting it get to me" ? I'm just wondering about it because I see it so often. Any time "PvE server" is mentioned, "lol carebears lol carebears" follows.

And yeah, I'm sure that most of the idiots who unironically have this "lol carebear" mentality are UD rogues/mages that gank greys in STV 4-5 hours a day.

[Diametra]

Meh...the only difference between pvp and pve realms is world pvp..I think we all know that. There are two things that happen in world pvp: ganking of people much lower, or world defense type pvp (possibility of actualy challenging pvp). I come from a pve server, my experence so far on this vanilla pvp realm is that the ganking variety of pvp is kinda dull, listless, boring, and generally a waste of everyone's time involved. You are free to see that differently, but there isn't any metric to suggest it's anything else other than a boring waste of time.

On the world pvp front...I gotta say, I'm not impressed. The ally response to world defense is close to zero percent. I'm pretty sure most people don't even have world defense up. How many people ally side respond to a request for pvp help in chat? Pretty much nobody. How do I know? Because I respond all the time and ask for help when world defense says: Darnassus is under attack, Menethil is under attack. Who comes? No one, unless they incidentily happen to be there.

My Carebare PVE realm was way more responsive to world pvp and with the crap that was crz realms, we also had way more deranged lunatics looking for trouble and finding it day after day, month after month.

Maybe horde side you can throw around the carebear term and it will mean something ...I have no idea, but ally side, not so much. I've never seen such a bunch of risk adverse, lazy people.

[Robotron]

I was raised on PvP servers in the Vanilla/TBC days, so playing either of those versions of the game on anything but PvP would feel like something essential is missing. Because Vanilla and TBC--especially Vanilla--force players into the world so much, taking WPvP away really does remove a key element of gameplay. That, and because playing in those versions of the game is inherently tougher because you have to worry about enemy players on top of the quest mobs, which were at their hardest during Vanilla, people who are used to the PvP servers look down on PvE server players because the other server is much easier by comparison.

WPvP also gives you something more to do at level cap. That said, I did play on a PvE server for the last tier of Wrath (Icecrown) and Cata until I quit playing retail, but by that point, there wasn't much difference between the two because of how little the world mattered.

[gotmilk0112]

Yeah, that's one of the things I hate about retail, is that there's very little reason to go out into the world. You can just sit in your garrison and queue for dungeons/raids all day and night, only reason you need to leave garrison is to go to a raid.

Actually having to travel to dungeon entrances is one of the things I really like about pre-LFD WoW. It really gives you a feel for the WORLD in "world of warcraft".

[Robotron]

Flying mounts and Shat was bad enough in TBC (early on, it wasn't so bad), but from Wrath and onward, you just sat in whatever capital city you wanted and either hit a button/take a permanent portal to go wherever you needed or you'd hop on your 310% mount and fly there in a matter of minutes without fear of being attacked.

[RamataKahn]

Anyone who wants to do "professional" PvP will be in the BGs anyways in WoW, so what you encounter during world ganking are those players that for some reason don't want to or are not skilled enough for real PvP. Some just pass-by and kill you for the lolz, some camp you because they finally found someone they can actually beat at their skill level (20 levels below and only with support of a friend).

The human psyche is sometimes fun and pretty good at lying to itself. Repeatedly killing defenseless enemies is stupid, but if you lie to yourself you could call yourself "PvP winner" and just ignore the fact that you are not. Now with the announcement of the PvE server those people are afraid that they might loose their easy targets and actually have to do some real PvP, in which they would loose and all those self-lying would break down on them.

So they do everything they can to keep their prey, and since the only way of human interaction they know is harassment, they do exactly that: call them names.

Yeah some are like that, but others want world encounters that are random and unpredictable with others their level. Also, saying that only people who do BGs are the only "Professional PvPers" make you sound like a big douchebag.

[jungleyonki]

PvE

PvP

there you go

[Xaeminos]

I was raised on PvP servers in the Vanilla/TBC days, so playing either of those versions of the game on anything but PvP would feel like something essential is missing. Because Vanilla and TBC--especially Vanilla--force players into the world so much, taking WPvP away really does remove a key element of gameplay. That, and because playing in those versions of the game is inherently tougher because you have to worry about enemy players on top of the quest mobs, which were at their hardest during Vanilla, people who are used to the PvP servers look down on PvE server players because the other server is much easier by comparison.

WPvP also gives you something more to do at level cap. That said, I did play on a PvE server for the last tier of Wrath (Icecrown) and Cata until I quit playing retail, but by that point, there wasn't much difference between the two because of how little the world mattered.

After BGs were introduced, world PvP was dead. It was rarely a big deal because people were just interested in leveling up anyway. The only time you "wPvP'd" was when you were trying to zone into a raid and had 40 people targeting you - causing you to corpse hop all the way in.

World PvP was never a big deal in Vanilla post BGs - ever. Sure it existed, but most people gave 0 poops about it. South Shore vs Tarren Mill and Ratchet/Barrens was short lived. You definitely had your share of PvP guilds in the beginning, but they all merged with PvE guilds eventually.

Carebears were labeled under the premise that PvE server players were scared to die, thus the elitism. Quite silly really when the end goal of both PvP and PvE servers were to raid anyway.