PVE server

[apollan]

If population keeps increasing, i'd be pro opening a PvE realm with transfers available to and from the current realm.

[Crichton]

I love seeing an alive world when I play WoW, that 100 people instead of 50 makes a big difference to me, I have talked to more people and grouped and made friends with more people in 1 month in nost than I have in the last couple years of me playing WoW combined.

Grouping was definitely intended by blizzard, and i would say grinding was to.

The server feels a lot more alive when theres 6k online as opposed to 3.5k, now 3.5k is plenty but 6k is even better. The biggest benifit imo would be an alive world and wpvp, and pug instance groups is valid so i dont know why you would discredit that,

Grouping was intended for elite quests/instances/etc, not general quests (You can find old interviews on that topic). Grinding for levels was not intended but a result of the game not launching with enough quests. With 3.5k, I promise you, that the world would feel alive and WPVP would be active without the negative effects the population is currently having on the server. No one ever complained about finding a fight on Blackrock, for example. Like I said, the difference is seeing 20 people at all times on your screen instead of 40 - it's mechanically irrelevant, it's aesthetic at that point.

I discredit pug instance groups because it's all mathematically relative. As long as you have 5 people looking for a Deadmines group at all times, then it hits a point of stability where it doesn't matter if 100 people are in Westfall or 500 people. It doesn't make it easier to find a group.

Also, I'll restate - the world was not designed for this level of population. It isn't blizzlike, it's broken.

Now, things may even out and the population will drop to a reasonable level, and I can imagine Nost is waiting to see if that happens before making any rash decisions. If it does drop, then problem solved. If it doesn't, then an alternative will have to be found.

There is no upside to having a population this size. Just a lot of downsides.

[OGTUCKER117]

I love seeing an alive world when I play WoW, that 100 people instead of 50 makes a big difference to me, I have talked to more people and grouped and made friends with more people in 1 month in nost than I have in the last couple years of me playing WoW combined.

Grouping was definitely intended by blizzard, and i would say grinding was to.

The server feels a lot more alive when theres 6k online as opposed to 3.5k, now 3.5k is plenty but 6k is even better. The biggest benifit imo would be an alive world and wpvp, and pug instance groups is valid so i dont know why you would discredit that,

Grouping was intended for elite quests/instances/etc, not general quests (You can find old interviews on that topic). Grinding for levels was not intended but a result of the game not launching with enough quests. With 3.5k, I promise you, that the world would feel alive and WPVP would be active without the negative effects the population is currently having on the server. No one ever complained about finding a fight on Blackrock, for example. Like I said, the difference is seeing 20 people at all times on your screen instead of 40 - it's mechanically irrelevant, it's aesthetic at that point.

I discredit pug instance groups because it's all mathematically relative. As long as you have 5 people looking for a Deadmines group at all times, then it hits a point of stability where it doesn't matter if 100 people are in Westfall or 500 people. It doesn't make it easier to find a group.

Also, I'll restate - the world was not designed for this level of population. It isn't blizzlike, it's broken.

Now, things may even out and the population will drop to a reasonable level, and I can imagine Nost is waiting to see if that happens before making any rash decisions. If it does drop, then problem solved. If it doesn't, then an alternative will have to be found.

There is no upside to having a population this size. Just a lot of downsides.

I disagree

[Crichton]

Let me just go over what you're disagreeing with; Let me take the facts out of my post

1. The world was not designed for this many players.

2. General quests were designed to be soloed

3. It doesn't matter if you have 100 or 500 players in Westfall if you're looking to run DM, as long as 5 are looking at all times (in terms of ease of finding a group)

4. There is no influence on game mechanics if there are 40 people on-screen vs. 20 beyond the borking of quests.

If you're disagreeing with these points, then you're disagreeing to disagree and there is no conversation to be had with you.

[OGTUCKER117]

Let me just go over what you're disagreeing with; Let me take the facts out of my post

1. The world was not designed for this many players.

2. General quests were designed to be soloed

3. It doesn't matter if you have 100 or 500 players in Westfall if you're looking to run DM, as long as 5 are looking at all times (in terms of ease of finding a group)

4. There is no influence on game mechanics if there are 40 people on-screen vs. 20 beyond the borking of quests.

If you're disagreeing with these points, then you're disagreeing to disagree and there is no conversation to be had with you.

I like having a huge population and I can tell you first hand that is why so many people play here(its not "superior scripting" plenty of other servers have just as good scripting).
You dont have to agree with me and i dont have to agree with you

[Crichton]

Let me just go over what you're disagreeing with; Let me take the facts out of my post

1. The world was not designed for this many players.

2. General quests were designed to be soloed

3. It doesn't matter if you have 100 or 500 players in Westfall if you're looking to run DM, as long as 5 are looking at all times (in terms of ease of finding a group)

4. There is no influence on game mechanics if there are 40 people on-screen vs. 20 beyond the borking of quests.

If you're disagreeing with these points, then you're disagreeing to disagree and there is no conversation to be had with you.

I like having a huge population and I can tell you first hand that is why so many people play here(its not "superior scripting" plenty of other servers have just as good scripting).
You dont have to agree with me and i dont have to agree with you

People don't play here for a "huge" population, perhaps the promise of a healthy one. Something ELSE had to attract 10-15k players(however many) to have that huge population in the first place. If a huge population is such a major attractant, we should be seeing server population jumping up to 20k in the pretty near future following that logic, eh? When is too much too much? When the server breaks? What if the server is capable of 30k people? Will you still be enjoying the huge population when your CPU cant handle the load? Where do you, personally, draw the line?

You don't have to agree with my opinions.
But, you should accept that the world wasn't designed for this.
You can say that it's irrelevant, but it's true all the same.

[Paladinpumph]

Don't bother any more. You're using objective observations and he's using subjective anecdotes.

[Ezakinuckz]

as Paladinpumph says the discussion doesn't have either body or head, is like trying to explain why something is good or bad to a liberal (inb4 it hurts muh feeeeeels).
From what i'm sawing and reading about the idea of a new PvE realms is at this rate going to be mandatory for the devs to make it (they can't stretch the gamecode so much to leave it in one realm without breaking the game) but they're waiting for the population rising to stabilize to make the call...

[wolfqueen]

Always with the "Go play Hello Kitty Online"...

Not sure about you guys but if you've actually *played* HKO you'd know it can put other grinds to shame, and there's not even a character specific level system, meaning no matter how many mobs you kill for your drops, it doesn't progress your level. Worse, the rng is just torture for when you're trying to get certain materials. Professions are also a massive pita to level as a result. If you're trying to pick some sort of casual title on the fly to make a joke, HKO isn't exactly the representative I'd use to make your funny.

#themoreyouknow

They are not saying it cause they think HKO is more casual, they are saying it cause there is no WPVP.

#themoreyouknow

[Hydra9268]

If Nostalrius said they needed a much larger donation to create a second server I'd do it! I also gave them a $30US donation. I've backed Star Citizen for close to $1,000. I'm *that* guy willing spend money on a private server. A PVE server would offset the server lag. But it would also make my vanilla experience closer to the original. I played on a PVE server at vanilla launch.