So I heard this server was good BUT...

[Killstick]

I think it kinda depends on how you define good.
Remember that 10 years ago people were doing alot of this stuff for the first time and had to figure these things out by themselves. Alot also had the illusion that gear meant all. As many have said, we are on 1 patch talent wise. We can work towards one patch. Where in vanilla all this stuff was constantly in motion.
Alot of you are forgetting that you are standing atop these peoples shoulders. You are using the information, tricks etc they found.
Like others said, 2005 there were no streams, not alot of high quality movies etc. Even Blizzard themselves were constantly finetuning.
When i started raiding in vanilla (Pre-ZG release) i was even under the impression that people would avoid reading guides to make the dungeons more challanging and epic (was laughed at hard in guild chat).

Just because we know that an apple falls to the ground when falling from a tree due to gravity doesn't make Newton a fucking dumbass all of a sudden.

[Oyani]

No the damage is correct. At least for me...
But PvE is A LOT easier than back in the day... you'll very rarely find groups that can't pull off an instance. And I don't know if it's just my guild being really good but we blowed through MC and killed Raggy on the second try. That would've NEVER happened on retail, i know that much... i don't know if people have gotten better at PvE or Nostalrius is just unbalanced and too easy... i can't say, but PvE is certainly not like it used to be...

[Arucado]

No the damage is correct. At least for me...
But PvE is A LOT easier than back in the day... you'll very rarely find groups that can't pull off an instance. And I don't know if it's just my guild being really good but we blowed through MC and killed Raggy on the second try. That would've NEVER happened on retail, i know that much... i don't know if people have gotten better at PvE or Nostalrius is just unbalanced and too easy... i can't say, but PvE is certainly not like it used to be...

Man, honestly, how do u want it to be hard if bosses have 2 mechanics, they are just retarded easy. Some dungeons have been impossible to me doing them with pugs (because most part of them are not geared and some are noobs? #vanilla-like).

My guild goes thro MC like it was a Park walk, but we couldnt do the first boss of BWL last week, we wiped 7 times and raid off.

I just think vanilla is easy with a little of coordination, back in the old days people had dramatically less knowledge about the game in all it's aspects. People didn't really care about BiS gear, prob because they didn't know what it was.
Wrong talents+Wrong optimization of gear+newbies (because you can see in old pvp videos how bad people were, they were too in pve). Srsly i remind me using Rend in every fight back in the old days, and taking extra talents in Improved HS in arms spec, people just were bad because biggest part of the game was unknown


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n61G8w5DxPM (Hardcoreness back in the old days, kappa)

[Gazpy]

Just looking at old videos of Naxx (mostly rogue PoV), their abilities are hitting for significantly less than what current rogues are doing, despite having the exact same consumable buffs and considerably better gear. Maybe Naxx bosses have a massively higher amount of armor, or maybe damage on here is higher than retail.

What bosses / Abilities /videos exactly?
Let's take a close look at the Rogue's Talents, Gear and Weapons from your video, and see together if the damage is working as intended .

Here's a rogue in AQ and Naxx gear critting backstabs for 1400-1500: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwGX7QE9ASs
I think the only buff he's lacking is Juju Power, and I don't think the boss has faerie fire on it. Also, it doesn't look like he has optimized gear for dagger skill, but that shouldn't affect the actual damage of backstab. In comparison, our dagger rogue currently crits bosses for 1500-1700 with Perdition's in MC/BWL gear. Maybe boss armor is much higher in Naxx, but I can only offer the anecdotal evidence that my rogue buddy on retail kept setting damage records during our AQ and Naxx raids (annoyingly announced in raid chat).

Sigh not sure what you tried to find but http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=23044 this weapon is not gonna do strong backstabs by any chance. 1.8> 1.6 Anyways this thread is created by a OP that is just bashing anything he sees is not what he would like to.

[Bazinga]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n61G8w5DxPM (Hardcoreness back in the old days, kappa)

uhm , u noticed the videodescription right??
1 Warrior,1 Paladin,1 Priest,1 Druid,3 Warlocks and 33 MAGES

[secondary]

there was no overall "bosses take less damage" in vanilla

For melee:
- lowered hit chance

For casters:
- level based resistance and lowered hit chance


BiS AQ geared warriors with full support of all he can get (world buffs etc) does 1.3k dps in a static fight on retail and here people in MC pull off the same numbers.

Yes, this has alot to do with skill. I mean obviously. Who else then an elite player would pull off vanillas elaborate rotations flawlessly?
Come on, get real please. Something is seriously broken with damage here wether you want to admit it or not.

[Arucado]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n61G8w5DxPM (Hardcoreness back in the old days, kappa)

uhm , u noticed the videodescription right??
1 Warrior,1 Paladin,1 Priest,1 Druid,3 Warlocks and 33 MAGES

yes i noticed, so what

[crime]

I just love the bullshit about vanilla players not being optimally speced or geared. Who do u think created the bis lists? Who do u think did the theory crafting on specs? You arrogant whelps that think you simply must be better because your able to.pull better numbers. Yes, the average guild on vanilla was pretty bad but ppl still wore bis gear and ppl still had the right specs. You couldnt kill vael without them.

The arrogance and frankly inability to think of private server players might mean you parse high but you still take dirtnaps that would get you gkicked on retail

[Jeniwyn]

I just love the bullshit about vanilla players not being optimally speced or geared. Who do u think created the bis lists? Who do u think did the theory crafting on specs? You arrogant whelps that think you simply must be better because your able to.pull better numbers. Yes, the average guild on vanilla was pretty bad but ppl still wore bis gear and ppl still had the right specs. You couldnt kill vael without them.

The arrogance and frankly inability to think of private server players might mean you parse high but you still take dirtnaps that would get you gkicked on retail

I played in vanilla too, and not in crap guilds. And my circle included people from world guilds, most importantly a bunch of people from Curse. The majority of players, even in really good guilds, just didn't know even close to as much as we do today. They just didn't. And since there were many different ideas floating around about how to gear, you just didn't get the results we see today where everyone pretty much agrees what the best gear is and farms it religiously before even going into MC.

This edge is going to shrink though. When we get into AQ and Naxx the gear, knowledge and experience will match up a lot better to vanilla retail. But, the fights will still be known and it will be easier to form a guild full of competent players than it was back then.

[Rylox]

Just looking at old videos of Naxx (mostly rogue PoV), their abilities are hitting for significantly less than what current rogues are doing, despite having the exact same consumable buffs and considerably better gear. Maybe Naxx bosses have a massively higher amount of armor, or maybe damage on here is higher than retail.

What bosses / Abilities /videos exactly?
Let's take a close look at the Rogue's Talents, Gear and Weapons from your video, and see together if the damage is working as intended .

Here's a rogue in AQ and Naxx gear critting backstabs for 1400-1500: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwGX7QE9ASs
I think the only buff he's lacking is Juju Power, and I don't think the boss has faerie fire on it. Also, it doesn't look like he has optimized gear for dagger skill, but that shouldn't affect the actual damage of backstab. In comparison, our dagger rogue currently crits bosses for 1500-1700 with Perdition's in MC/BWL gear. Maybe boss armor is much higher in Naxx, but I can only offer the anecdotal evidence that my rogue buddy on retail kept setting damage records during our AQ and Naxx raids (annoyingly announced in raid chat).

That guy is using a weapon a bit lower on backstab damage than Perdition's. The trash drop Harbinger of Doom. Perhaps you're also comparing it with rogues right now always having DM 200AP + Onyxia 120AP.
Edit: Also no battle shout or curse of recklessness+faerie fire. That is a HUGE chunk of the remaining armor after sunder. The last bits of armor produce more in gains per point when removed.