The Horde Flags rise upon the human lands!

[AL900]

People focusing on gear, keybinds or even the zones attacked are entirely missing the point (and illustrate what's wrong with some veteran players on this server).

The goal, I believe, is to have PvP events on a bigger scale than we currently have on this server. To rekindle World PvP and give all players (mostly lowbies since 60s basically camp in capitals) a sense of the conflict which goes on, lore-wise, between H and A. This makes the game feel more alive.

When you see a raid of 40 players charging your way, you stop being a questing drone collecting rewards at his quest hub for a while and you start being an alliance player, faced with something that was not scripted, probably isn't fair and that you WILL have to react to.

The point is not to beat the defending forces: the fact that players went out of their way to defend a zone is already a victory.
It's not about being the best PvP players with the best gears and binds either: simply having actually assembled a raid, walked through enemy areas together then rushed towards the enemy, is a victory in itself.

In my opinion this is an amazing initiative and I encourage Horde players to join and Alliance players to create a similar guild on their side. Who cares who wins, let's just fight!

[Mistral]

Shame my level 60 on pvp is alliance.

[Simonich]

Certainly agreed with AL900, he gets the point.

Many people strive to be the "coolest" and "the best". I mean its normal in a game. But it has gotten to a point where you prioritize it over what would you really enjoy, it reaches a point where people behave horribly to each other and try to degrade others. Its a bit sad.

[Datruth]

Are you implying this stuff actually take skills to pull off?

No, that's what you were implying with your keybind obsession which is why you were missing the point. All this takes is superior numbers and actual organization which has been shown time and time again by the fact that it always takes you at least an hour to wipe our raids when we are usually a 2 minute flight from Stormwind. Thanks almost entirely to the tireless efforts of Viroshilov I'm sure you will learn firsthand how helpless you are despite your perceived superior individual skills unless the alliance starts an actual world pvp guild of their own.

Hmm. I explictly mentioned why I don't think camping low level areas require skills, I don't understand how you could interpret it any differently than that tbh. What I was hinting at is IF raids or things of that nature definitely takes some level of skill to pull off compared to that. Your miserable attempts at raiding IF and defending Orgrimmar proves my point for me, you're lost mate.
I'm not "keybind obsessed" btw, keybinds are the most basic shit, which is why people generally laugh when someone post pictures of shitty keybinds. 10/10 times they are shit players.

I'm horde btw, just because I'm giving you some criticism doesn't automatically mean I'm the enemy.

That being said I really do appreciate the initiative, but your efforts doesn't match your ambitions, not even close.

[Sephirothpvp]

People focusing on gear, keybinds or even the zones attacked are entirely missing the point (and illustrate what's wrong with some veteran players on this server).

You missed the point on the criticism as well. Talking about OP's binds is completely independent to mocking the event, I think it's great he's promoting world pvp as it is incredibly fun. However, as an individual, I assume everyone who pvps (and it's not even completely an assumption cause I've met a lot of people who pvp over the years) wants to actually win fights. Unfortunately, keybinds are important if you want to become a better player. Pvp is a great deal about fast reactions, and if he's backpedalling (as in most of the pictures) to click on sweeping strikes or whatever he's not playing nearly as well as he could be.

[Simonich]

Are you implying this stuff actually take skills to pull off?

No, that's what you were implying with your keybind obsession which is why you were missing the point. All this takes is superior numbers and actual organization which has been shown time and time again by the fact that it always takes you at least an hour to wipe our raids when we are usually a 2 minute flight from Stormwind. Thanks almost entirely to the tireless efforts of Viroshilov I'm sure you will learn firsthand how helpless you are despite your perceived superior individual skills unless the alliance starts an actual world pvp guild of their own.

Hmm. I explictly mentioned why I don't think camping low level areas require skills, I don't understand how you could interpret it any differently than that tbh. What I was hinting at is IF raids or things of that nature definitely takes some level of skill to pull off compared to that. Your miserable attempts at raiding IF and defending Orgrimmar proves my point for me, you're lost mate.
I'm not "keybind obsessed" btw, keybinds are the most basic shit, which is why people generally laugh when someone post pictures of shitty keybinds. 10/10 times they are shit players.

I'm horde btw, just because I'm giving you some criticism doesn't automatically mean I'm the enemy.

That being said I really do appreciate the initiative, but your efforts doesn't match your ambitions, not even close.

First, you ignored my post regarding those 2 events.

I did an ANNOUNCED attack which eventually lead towards ironforge. Once we arrived to dun morogh with a 20 man raid of which half were lowbies and most were puggers (non-guildies), we already had unflagged 60s following us, that when gathered enough attacked us but failed. Then we had wrath's semi-premade onto us which was defeated thanks to a trap I set up.

We basically kept fighting around, it was really entertaining world PvP. We eventually went to ironforge's gate which we were completely outnumbered. They wiped us and disbanded the defense, then, we kept on fighting outside ironforge with some fair numbers for a couple of hours till most of us had to go. Was just fine for the amount of forces I had that day.

Also, regarding <NOPE>s invasion on orgrimmar, it was unnanounced. Don't expect me to be on 24/7 vigilantly. I just logged on to talk in gchat when I got 3-4 whispers telling me org is under attack. I went there and made a defense raid along with an existent one. The fight lasted 1 minute till we wiped them. That's it, I walkedaround, but oh they were back. Wasn't in the mood but people called me to go on, so we fought and wiped them again, till the other raid got bored and was left alone.

They just kept getting wiped, but I can admit they were pretty much hard to take down, it wasn't easy at all.
The thing is my entire defense raid was consisted of awaken orgrimmar afkers, when they barricaded inthe org arena, everyone was too coward to charge in after the countdown, I kinda lost interest. Then I went to do what I came to do (talk to guild), disbanded defense, when they rezzed, rushed thrall, killed him and HSed out. That was the last of invasions I saw ever since against us.


So, regarding keybinds..those are the keybinds that make me feel mostly comfortable, and I've averagely won more than lost during 1v1 fights, so that quite satisfies me. I'm not forced to go full tryhard now, am I?
Let me play how I want

So you're also saying that in order to lead an army to victory I need good keybinds? I think in this case keybinds are nothing in front of right decisions, good leadership and authority. Good keybinds or gear of 1 person will not really change the tide of battle during a raid as much as 1 good command from the leader.

Invading those zones take less skill than invading cities, cant disagree ,but I'm not stupid enough to go to a city with lowbies, I'm trying to get our leveling guildies into the spirit of world PvP and town invasions, make their progress more fun. I can tell you I do have experience in invading a city, (been known for that in feenix)
but I can't do it yet...YET...the army grows, comrade..

[Datruth]

Dunno what post you're referring to, only previous response I can see from you is you justifying your lack of gear by saying you could recruit hundreds of people in the same duration of time. I chose not to respond for the simple reasons 1. you're exaggerating like crazy and 2. Multitasking??? You can easily gear up while recruiting. Sure 1 piece of gear isn't a lot on one player, but if you get one on every 40 man in a raid then it quickly adds up.

Why are you trying to justify your failed IF raid to me? Great to hear you had fun, but that doesn't change the fact that you got stomped.

You're right about the ORG raid, I was there to wipe them a few times, but it quickly got boring. Doesn't change the fact that they succeeded though.

I can't prove or disprove you winning most of your 1v1s with those binds, but I guarantee you, you would win more of them if you learned to use keybinds, and macros as a warrior are very important as well if you want to be better. Having marks keybound as a leader is also extremely important for quick changes of targets etc.

Listening to my advice would without a doubt make you better at the game, I'm sorry if that makes you salty.

[Rizzonico]

Unfortunately, keybinds are important if you want to become a better player. Pvp is a great deal about fast reactions, and if he's backpedalling (as in most of the pictures) to click on sweeping strikes or whatever he's not playing nearly as well as he could be.

U can be a pro even if u are a clicker.

[newtee2]

Hey op where are the pics of me and my buddies corpse camping you in goldshire which eventually forced you to gy rez? You're trash, and you're luck you dont play on my old retail server where ally actually gave a shit about defending.

I never used gy rez ever, probably you're so blind that I got away while being watched by multiple enemies.

I did this invasion tons of times, but we wiped only once in goldshire this time.

If you won, you obviously had more people than me and 5v1d me or something. (In terms of lvl 60 players)

So if I 5v1d you, I'd be trash for having more people again. Hmmm....Not sure why people gotta be salty, enjoy the fact there's a war going on and don't try to throw mud at others.

Salty because ally doesnt want to do jack shit unlike my retail server where I could muster a force eZ

[sylvr]

People being salty (over keybinds, getting stomped etc), while annoying, is part of what makes this all great. Much like in the old days when guilds would get butthurt, name call, and try to discredit one another, at least there was a sense of community.

I think what Voroshilov is doing is awesome and I hope he continues despite the petty hate. Large scale spontaneous world PvP was one of the most fun aspects of WoW that's been missing even from other private servers. Keep having fun and doing your thing, that's what all of this is really about. People need to stop taking themselves so seriously