why all the bosses are so freaking easy ?

[Dr. Doom]

Thoughts on adding new mechanics, tuning up bosses even if non blizzlike?

[DownToFarm]

Funny you think you were the only one who was hardcore raiding, while your main focus was pvp ...
we raided just as much and mostly more when aq/nax came out.

We also raided insane hours but through progress we also wrote guides, developed addons for the guild specific, grind our ass off in ungoro crater, and other places while you went and enjoyed BGs.

Again not the point, point is, it should not feel easier then retail wow.

I apologize if it sounded that way and for the confusion as it sounded to me like you were saying you were on the "watching/reading" side of the guides.

As for feeling easier than vanilla wow, in my experience on the server thus far, maybe yours has been different, it is not easier. Questing was harder, managing threat was harder, managing rage was harder, aquiring raid ready gear was harder, leveling professions, acquiring gold, it is all harder. All of these things combined, in turn, means raiding is harder on nost, and raiding in retail is easier; however, I do not believe that the mechanics of boss fights currently available on NOST are harder than the mechanics of the boss fights in retail.
Blizzard has come a long way in its boss fight mechanics. There is nothing in mc/bwl that really compares to some of the boss fights in wrath or even cata and WoD. Chromag is probably the most difficult boss within mc/bwl, and his mechanics are much easier than arthas defile for example. I haven't played much of WoD only when it was first out and even Imperator is much more complicated than most mc/bwl fights.

I honestly spent many of my years in retail saying "oh I miss vanilla wow it was so much harder" and now that Im here, it is harder, but harder really means "more inconvenient", the boss fights really aren't that hard to wrap your head around.
Yet.

I do believe Undertanker and Pottu are right. You aren't seeing the people that are actually struggling stream, as well as the real separation between good guilds and great guilds starts at late aq/naxx. Even in retail vanilla, mc/bwl were farmed hard. By guilds and by pugs.

[Glas]

2016:
- Pre-raid bis is required by most guilds.
- Bigwigs is required by most guilds
- Class leads of most guilds will make sure people dont have a shitty spec.
- Consumables are required by most guilds.
- Optimal enchants is required by most guilds.
- Most people know the tactics.
- Most people have played several MMOs before.

People need to stop making these requirements.

Dont tell me you cant down a boss without these requirements ...


And btw, is everything in raid dungeons fixed / changed to a the blizzlike state? I dont know i dont raid.
Armor, Spell resistance, damage from bosses?
Abilities and the frequency of how many times the abilities are cast by the bosses?

[Hammersplat]

I dont know i dont raid.

maybe you should raid and find out.

[netameta]

Why do you think it shouldn't be easier than retail... mechanics have come a long way since then.
Vanilla raiding being harder than retail is just a bullshit meme myth I don't know where anyone ever got it.
And AQ20 is certainly designed for dungeon geared players. Don't get it twisted just because of release order.

1. i never said the mechanics on vanilla where harder i said that it felt harder, things killed you faster, aggro was a huge issue, ... etc etc.

2. not a meme myth, just look at how long it took to kill bosses compared to post TBC bosses. dont need to be a genius - look at Kael'Thas, C'Thun, Kel'Thuzad, Kil'jaeden for example compare how long these fight took to kill, vs current retail. i know they are not all vanilla but still.

Rylox sarcastic or not you've admit your wrongness about AQ20 on your last comment - not take backies.

[smilkovpetko]

only if bosses and trash in raids was using properly their "abilities" in raid , only if many classes didn't got beneficial bug , only if movement of mobs/bosses was properly.

Yes original vanilla was harder than any of the "privacy servers" and this is fact.

stop living in privacy server world and read bugtracker at least once per day (help them fix stuffs) .

[Rylox]

only if bosses and trash in raids was using properly their "abilities" in raid , only if many classes didn't got beneficial bug , only if movement of mobs/bosses was properly.

Yes original vanilla was harder than any of the "privacy servers" and this is fact.

stop living in privacy server world and read bugtracker at least once per day (help them fix stuffs) .

Care to elaborate on such things causing this to be so easy?
Getting of track. Started with MC/BWL, but now mentioning the hardest couple fights in addition to TBC stuff...

[Setup]

Thoughts on adding new mechanics, tuning up bosses even if non blizzlike?

ony is slightly harder than she ought to be right now.

the conflag effect on her fireball shouldve been removed a while ago.

I think it was at one point, but it got rolled back.

[Robotron]

I do believe Undertanker and Pottu are right. You aren't seeing the people that are actually struggling stream, as well as the real separation between good guilds and great guilds starts at late aq/naxx. Even in retail vanilla, mc/bwl were farmed hard. By guilds and by pugs.

Also it's dumb to judge raid difficulty during farm period. Pretty much all of the established guilds have had BWL on farm for over 5 months now, plus ZG being released was a heavy nerf to BWL (double debuff slots and ZG gear/enchants). Only new guilds are progressing in BWL right now.

[St0rfan]

2016:
- Pre-raid bis is required by most guilds.
- Bigwigs is required by most guilds
- Class leads of most guilds will make sure people dont have a shitty spec.
- Consumables are required by most guilds.
- Optimal enchants is required by most guilds.
- Most people know the tactics.
- Most people have played several MMOs before.

People need to stop making these requirements.

Dont tell me you cant down a boss without these requirements ...


And btw, is everything in raid dungeons fixed / changed to a the blizzlike state? I dont know i dont raid.
Armor, Spell resistance, damage from bosses?
Abilities and the frequency of how many times the abilities are cast by the bosses?

Why? Should people not bring their A-game to raids? If people dont want to tick these requirements sure, but then they wont get to raid anything past MC. I would rather 1-2 shot bosses than wiping weeks on end because people dont make an effort to improve.